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By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS / The Associated Press

Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 - 12:47:43 am CDT

WASHINGTON — In a vote that shook the government, Wall Street and markets around the world, the House on Monday defeated a $700 billion emergency rescue for the nation’s financial system, leaving both parties’ lawmakers and the Bush administration scrambling to pick up the pieces. Dismayed investors sent the Dow Jones industrials plunging nearly 800 points, the most ever for a single day.

“We need to put something back together that works,” a grim-faced Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said after he and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke joined in an emergency strategy session at the White House. On Capitol Hill, Democratic leaders said the House would reconvene Thursday, leaving open the possibility that it could salvage a reworked version.

All sides agreed the effort to bolster beleaguered financial markets, potentially the biggest government intervention since the Great Depression, could not be abandoned.

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President Bush makes a statement about the economy, Monday on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. (AP)
Nebraska Congressmen vote against bailout

U.S. Reps. Jeff Fortenberry, Adrian Smith and Lee Terry all voted against the government’s mortgage-finance bailout, which was defeated Monday by the House of Representatives.

“Undoubtedly, America is facing a serious financial challenge,” said Fortenberry, who represents Lincoln and Nebraska’s 1st Congressional district, in a news release. “This bill is clearly an improvement from the original proposal. However, we are falling into the trap of sequential decision-making. Adopting this construct shuts the door on alternatives that may be less costly, easier to implement - and may provide a way through this crisis. The choice between action and inaction today is a false one.

“Nebraskans and most other Americans have made responsible financial decisions. Now we are forcing them to foot the bill for the financial industrialists of Wall Street who created this problem for Main Street. And perhaps we have not addressed the underlying fundamental problems.

“I could not in good conscience support this legislation.”

- Lincoln Journal Star

But in a remarkable display on Monday, a majority of House members slapped aside the best version their leaders and the administration had been able to come up with, bucking presidential speeches, pleading visits from Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and urgent warnings that the economy could nosedive without the legislation.

In the face of thousands of phone calls and e-mails fiercely opposing the measure, many lawmakers were not willing to take the political risk of voting for it just five weeks before the elections.

The bill went down, 228-205.

The House Web site was overwhelmed as millions of people sought information about the measure through the day.

The legislation the administration promoted would have allowed the government to buy bad mortgages and other sour assets held by troubled banks and other financial institutions. Getting those debts off their books should bolster those companies’ balance sheets, making them more inclined to lend and ease one of the biggest choke points in a national credit crisis. If the plan worked, the thinking went, it would help lift a major weight off the national economy, which is already sputtering.

Hoping to pick up enough GOP votes for the next try, Republicans floated several ideas. One would double the $100,000 ceiling on federal deposit insurance. Another would end rules that require companies to devalue assets on their books to reflect the price they could get in the market.

In the meantime, Paulson said he would work with other regulators “to use all the tools available to protect our financial system and our economy.”

“Our tool kit is substantial but insufficient,” he said, indicating the government intended to continue piecemeal fixes while pressing Congress for broader action.

Stocks started plummeting on Wall Street even before Monday’s vote was over, as traders watched the rescue measure going down on television. Meanwhile, lawmakers were watching them back.

As a digital screen in the House chamber recorded a cascade of “no” votes against the bailout, Democratic Rep. Joe Crowley of New York shouted news of the falling Dow Jones industrials. “Six hundred points!” he yelled, jabbing his thumb downward.

The final stock carnage was 777 points, far surpassing the 684-point drop on the first trading day after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

In the House, “no” votes came from both the Democratic and Republican sides of the aisle. More than two-thirds of Republicans and 40 percent of Democrats opposed the bill. Several Democrats in close election fights waited until the last moment, then went against the bill as it became clear the vast majority of Republicans were opposing it.

Thirteen of the 19 most vulnerable Republicans and Democrats in an Associated Press analysis voted against the bill despite the pleas from President Bush and their party leaders to pass it.

In all, 65 Republicans joined 140 Democrats in voting “yes,” while 133 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted “no.”

The overriding question was what to do next.

“The legislation may have failed; the crisis is still with us,” said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., in a news conference after the defeat. “What happened today cannot stand.”

Republican leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said he and other Republicans were pained to vote for such measure, but he agreed that in light of the potential consequences for the economy and all Americans, “I think that we need to renew our efforts to find a solution that Congress can support.”

Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., said there was scant time to reopen legislation that was the product of hard-fought bipartisan negotiations.

“What happened today was not a failure of a bill, it was a failure of will,” said Dodd, the Banking Committee chairman. “Our hope is that cooler heads will prevail, people will think about what they did today and recognize that this is not just scare tactics — it’s reality.”

A brutal round of partisan finger-pointing followed the vote.

Republicans blamed Pelosi’s scathing speech near the close of the debate — which assailed Bush’s economic policies and a “right-wing ideology of anything goes, no supervision, no discipline, no regulation” of financial markets — for the defeat. It was not much different from her usual tough words against the president and his party.

“We could have gotten there today had it not been for the partisan speech that the speaker gave on the floor of the House,” Boehner said.

Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., the whip, estimated that Pelosi’s speech changed the minds of a dozen Republicans who might otherwise have supported the plan.

That amounted to an appalling accusation by Republicans against Republicans, said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the Financial Services Committee: “Because somebody hurt their feelings, they decide to punish the country.”

More than a repudiation of Democrats, Frank said, Republicans’ refusal to vote for the bailout was a rejection of their own president.

The two men campaigning to replace Bush watched the situation closely — from afar — and demanded action.

In Iowa, Republican John McCain said his rival Barack Obama and congressional Democrats “infused unnecessary partisanship into the process. Now is not the time to fix the blame; it’s time to fix the problem.”

Obama said, “Democrats, Republicans, step up to the plate, get it done.”

Lawmakers were under extraordinary pressure from powerful outside groups, which gave notice they considered the legislation a “key vote” — one they would consider when rating members of Congress.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce said opponents of the bailout would pay for their stance.

“Make no mistake: When the aftermath of congressional inaction becomes clear, Americans will not tolerate those who stood by and let the calamity happen,” said R. Bruce Josten, the Chamber’s top lobbyist, in a letter to members.

The conservative Club for Growth made a similar threat to supporters of the bailout.

“We’re all worried about losing our jobs,” Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., declared in an impassioned speech in support of the bill before the vote. “Most of us say, ’I want this thing to pass, but I want you to vote for it — not me.“’

“We’re in this moment, and if we fail to do the right thing, Heaven help us,” he said.

If Congress doesn’t come around on a bailout, more pressure would fall on the Federal Reserve.

The Fed, which has been providing billions in short-term loans to squeezed banks to help them overcome credit stresses, could keep expanding those loans to encourage lending. And, it could keep working with other central banks to inject billions into financial markets overseas.

It also has the power to expand emergency lending to other types of companies and even to individuals if they are unable to secure adequate credit.


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MarkyMark wrote on September 29, 2008 11:26 am:
" Corporate Socialism at it's worst. Too bad it came to this. "

SO its helps who wrote on September 29, 2008 11:28 am:
" From what I can tell, this helps out the lenders that got them selves in trouble. Will this provide jobs? Will it make my homes value increase again? Will I see any money out of this? Where does this help us? "

bush llit wrote on September 29, 2008 11:50 am:
" He was confident about Iraq too. Not to mention capturing Bin Laden. "

Bush Hater wrote on September 29, 2008 12:05 pm:
" "Like the Iraq war and the Patriot Act, this bill is fueled on fear and hinges on haste,” said Democratic Rep. Lloyd Doggett, R-Texas."
But wait, this is the republican way. Do not use any intelligence, just scare the people into bad choices. Easy to do when so many people just do not have any intelligence. They just follow along. What scares me is Bush saying we have to do this. That should make you do just the opposite. Was it not Bush after all that said 14 days ago if we did not pass this that the economy would come to a screetching halt by the next Friday? Thanks to everyone who was too stupid to see what putting him into office and keeping the republican led Congress in power for so long would do. "

Alan wrote on September 29, 2008 12:19 pm:
" It seems to me this whole problem was a result of too easy credit. Home loans made to people that had no ability to repay. Clinton era mandates that welfare and food stamps be considered qualify income. The stated mission of Fannie Mae to achieve "racial parity" in home ownership. The implication that the government would back the exotic bundles of debt. These things need to be addressed and remedied before any sort of bailout will work or should be considered. After all when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging! "

Deb wrote on September 29, 2008 12:32 pm:
" Bush is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He can't be confident this is ging to address needs of the economy because it is only a band-aid for a very fragile financial model. The bailout will add to the national debt by raising it to nearly $11 TRILLION. That is a huge debt to owe and Pay interest o. The bailout will only worsen the USA credit rating and make it less desirable to do business with. The bailout isn't a stimulus package, it is only dealing with mistakes and bad business practices during Bush's tenure. "

CanAnyoneElseSeeThis wrote on September 29, 2008 1:06 pm:
" The real way to solve this problem is to give the $700B bailout to THE PEOPLE!!! Everyone would pay off their credit cards, mortgages, etc. - the banks would again become flush with cash and would not be holding any bad debt. Plus, whatever people had left over would surely be SPENT - stimulating businesses and the economy even more. DO NOT just give this money to the institutions in trouble. The corrupt leaders of this institutions will just pocket the money and run. "

Mrs. Johnson wrote on September 29, 2008 1:09 pm:
" I'm sleeping easier knowing George W Bush is at the helm! LOL! Who can we thank for the last 8 years? "

Pro Bush war but... wrote on September 29, 2008 1:12 pm:
" money is not this guys strong point (see his failed businesses!) & the economic stimulus plan, while it was nice - what did that stimulate.... "

JB wrote on September 29, 2008 1:16 pm:
" Just wanting to cover their rears. Want to be able to say I was against if things go even more bad in the future. No guts, no glory. Throw a few earmarks around and it will pass. "

Chuck wrote on September 29, 2008 1:24 pm:
" It's not about who gets helped--it's about who gets hurt when banks collapse, and businesses can't borrow capital, and people can't get mortgages. The cowards in the House were too busy checking poll numbers to do what was necessary to lead instead of follow. "

ted wrote on September 29, 2008 1:25 pm:
" Will be interested to see if Fortenberry stood for saving our financial system or has condemned it to ruin. "

Eric wrote on September 29, 2008 1:26 pm:
" It was necessary to vote NO. At some point, everyone has to pay back what they owe....no matter how painful. We have been printing money and raising interest rates and coming up with more objectionable terms for borrowing for years so people could borrow a little more, and a little more, to keep financing lives that they could not afford. it HAS to end somewhere, either now or later...and socializing all of this greed should not happen. I am happy that this came back as a NO, and pain now will be saved (bigger) pain later. We didn't have the 700 billion; it's time to quit borrowing from the future to pay for yesterday's wild excess. Our great-grandchildren may actually be able to live within their means and not also be paying for excesses from the past, considering we already took their social security to spend on ourselves! "

Rys wrote on September 29, 2008 1:33 pm:
" Wow, I didn't actually expect the House to do the right thing, as hard as it may be. My faith in politicians has been slightly elevated, "

Roo wrote on September 29, 2008 1:35 pm:
" Today is a great day! "

BicycleMike wrote on September 29, 2008 1:38 pm:
" George... George! stop thinking about your legacy, it's no use anymore as the captain just go down with your ship. Oh wait, I'm on that ship. Geeeeoooorge save me, use some of that great "political capitol" you once waved in my face like a 10 year old. "

Kendra wrote on September 29, 2008 1:38 pm:
" Bernanke and Paulson are the people with more experience and insights than Smith, Terry and Fortenberry.. If you can't trust the "experts", who will get us out of this crisis? Have any of our Congressmen provided a better solution?, "

O_Really Factor wrote on September 29, 2008 1:39 pm:
" News reports - and not from Rush or Hannity - indicate a number of GOP members of congress voted against the bill due to partisan remarks before the vote by Speaker Pelosi. Thanks for nothing Nancy. "

as wrote on September 29, 2008 1:43 pm:
" Step one - save the troubled companies by taking back the millions in CEO pay & benefits first...
Then look for government/taxpayer help.

Step two - quit giving loans to those who can't afford to pay for them. "

JT wrote on September 29, 2008 1:45 pm:
" Ugh, I hope Fortenberry is right and that they can come up with a better solution fast. Doing nothing is not a good option. "

Twhite wrote on September 29, 2008 1:49 pm:
" This is not about socialism or principles at this point. If we don't approve a package and soon then there will be no more solvent banks to buy bad ones and the market will disintegrate rapidly. We will have another depression, and that is it. I am mad as hell that Wall Street did this, but they did it by having Republicans deregulate the market so much that greed became to only motivation for big business. Voters who consistently bought into Republicans telling them that the Government is inept and can't regulate anything are also to blame. Republicans wrecked the government on purpose so that each election cycle they could claim that the government didn't work, and it was right, it didn't because they messed it up. NOw all of the protective regulatory measures have been removed or successfully gutted and we have this gigantic mess. I am really worried about what comes next "

Douglas wrote on September 29, 2008 1:53 pm:
" Lets see now, inflated housing prices were made possible by Federal Reserve interference to surpress interest rates and now we should add additional credit to overcome too much and too easy credit. What is wrong with that picture? Thank goodness for the close proximity of elections to pressure enough congressmen to vote as they did. "

M wrote on September 29, 2008 1:54 pm:
" "Nosedive into recession?" Not much of a dive when you are already there! "

Tzi wrote on September 29, 2008 2:01 pm:
" Don't worry: socialists never give up. "

Mark wrote on September 29, 2008 2:01 pm:
" I was hoping that our state's Congressmen, who have no legitimate fear of losing this November, would have done what most agree is necessary, despite its political unpopularity. "

BankDitt wrote on September 29, 2008 2:01 pm:
" This is certainly a sign of the end times...more to come "

Remember wrote on September 29, 2008 2:09 pm:
" Does my memory fail me or did not a thin tall man with a beard wrapped in white from toes to top of head named Osama state he would destroy our economy within our borders? Where have our billions gone the past eight years? To fight Osama in two countries--to build facilities here at home that snoop and spy even on us in Lincoln--think! Think what this one man has cost this nation as your retirement funds and bank accounts disappear. He has done and is doing exactly what he said he'd do to us. Oh, by the way he is living in comfort with no worry of being caught some say in a cave but perhaps in a penthouse with a clean shave and business suit??? "

BankDitt wrote on September 29, 2008 2:27 pm:
" I'm telling you, put your money in your mattress..... "

whatever bush wrote on September 29, 2008 2:44 pm:
" If it were not for economic hardship having already become a part of the average citizen's reality this would not have happened. These Economic difficulties are not trickling down, they are bubbling up. Our solution needs to be the same. Remember FDR? Public works projects that employed the desperately unemployed and built an infrastructure that allowed the U.S. to be global hegemon for 30 years after his election. Let's rebuild our country! "

Yippy Skippy wrote on September 29, 2008 2:46 pm:
" My spouse and I were jumping up and down in the car when we heard the news over the radio that the bailout package had gone down to defeat in the House. Finally there is a governmental body with spine enough to say, "NO!" Some say this country is doomed if we don't rescue Wall Street; that we will have another recession/depression era; that the vastness of this financial crisis will produce pure chaos for the whole world. Some of us think the same thing will happen if we do. "

whatever wrote on September 29, 2008 2:53 pm:
" While the initial proposals were bad, this final version - while not perfect - was adequate and actually got economists to say "this is needed" where before they were against the first proposal. All 3 of our Republican Reps voted against it, but yet have no solution themselves. Republicans said they had enough votes to pass it, then enough defected because Nancy Pelosi said something that made them made. Are you kidding me? They got their feelings hurt and so they turned their back on the country??? PATHETIC!!

For those that say that the market should take care of itself, here if the effect of nothing being done to bring this situation under control. If you want a loan for a new business, a new car, a house, so you can plant your crops in the spring....that money may not be there. The affects of this mess will start affecting the average American. Banks are nervous, and the world is nervous. The markets all over the world are plunging as we speak. "

Old Guy wrote on September 29, 2008 2:55 pm:
" I wish all you buzz word people would grow up. This is not socialism, its try to save our country. Quit listen to Rush (and others) and look at the facts. The government caused the problem and now it has to fix it. It is not a time for trying to blame one party or the other, but a time to get it fixed. Remember how easily the Soviet Union went bankrupt and we are almost there. The only thing that can really be learned from this is Nancy Pelosi should not even be in the House. "

Get rid of Pelosi now wrote on September 29, 2008 3:00 pm:
" She has been a huge hindrance for the past 2 years, 100% partisan, 100% of the time. She can shoulder the blame for the single digit approval ratings. Get a Dem with a brain and spine to be the majority leader, and not a hyper partisan SF liberal. "

Jon wrote on September 29, 2008 3:01 pm:
" Before everyone goes crazy and hits the panic button (seems to be happening already after reading some of these comments) remember one thing. Blaming the vote on the Republicans shows a lack of legislative knowledge. The Democrats hold a majority...they did not need ONE Republican to vote yes to pass the bill. And the bill still failed. So, let's spread the blame around and stop throwing it at one party or the other "

ILL REMEMBER wrote on September 29, 2008 3:06 pm:
" THIS. Wait until elections come around. I will not vote for anyone of the incumbents. I am not totally in favor of the bailout, but, after working for over 45 years and putting my money in a money market with low interest to not be under stress of the stock market, this thing hits and no one knows if their cd's even will survive. This whole thing has been going on with everyone burrowing their heads in the sand. Now its hit and no one knows what to do. I was ok with a bailout to keep the economy going. I've said for four years that gw would run the country into bankruptsy and by god its happening. The blame has to go somewhere and he wanted the job so he gets the blame. Again, I and millions of others have worked hard sweaty jobs to have some savings to retire on and these fools in washington along with their greedy corrupt ceo's who have never worked a honest day in their life partake in losing workers savings. It's been said that the us. can't support the baby boomers retiring and they aren't letting them. I was going to vote for anyone but a republican but I'm flat not voting. I encourage everyone to leave the polls empty. There ain't an honest sob in washington. When the world comes down on our beloved leaders shoulders they better find a deep hole to hide in. Even deeper than saddam. The people should be out in the streets rioting. Send all the senators and representatives home on the rails with tar and feathers. "

independent wrote on September 29, 2008 3:11 pm:
" i wrote to all of the nebraskan congress members and senate to vote NO on this crazy bill. we shouldn't be giving billions of dollars to people who made these bad decisions. i hope this matter is closed.

luckily, all 3 of our reps voted NO. check it out at votesmart.com. "

tom b wrote on September 29, 2008 3:18 pm:
" maybe this is being to simplistic....i have no problem getting
a loan...my bank is midwest bank is smart and i know my limits...
this is more of a east coast west coast problem...you know...
the ones with no common sense... "

BarryO wrote on September 29, 2008 3:25 pm:
" He earned 2nd most of all of them...... "

James the Liberal wrote on September 29, 2008 3:26 pm:
" All of Nebraska's Representatives, all Republicans, voted against this legislation according to the link provided in the sidebar: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml. And more Democrats voted for it than Republicans? Perhaps they think a Democrat controlled Congress and Executive branch will be weak if no rescue is forthcoming? Methinks this socalled bailout is just another ploy by the Bushies... "

Norman R. Kelley wrote on September 29, 2008 3:35 pm:
" Representatives Fortenberry, Smith and Terry made the right decision by voting against HR 3997. It is time to let the meaning of financial responsibility be known to those who have ignored it and caused this situation. Let the meltdown begin. "

Ed wrote on September 29, 2008 3:56 pm:
" The choice between action or inaction today was a false choice? Has anyone seen the stock market? How are your 401(k)'s and various other investments looking right now? We needed to act - if Fortenberry (or others) didn't like this bill - where is there's? "

JR wrote on September 29, 2008 4:07 pm:
" I don't know for certain if the no vote was the right vote or not. I guess we will find out soon enough. But I do know that a handful of Republicans voted no, not because they thought it was the right thing to do, but because of remarks made by Nancy Pelosi. If that is true, they should be voted out of office. To put their own hurt personal feelings before what they thought was the good of the country is despicable. I want a politician who will do what is right no matter what the other party says. For those of you who voted for it, or against it because you honestly believe it was the right thing to do, thank you for your service. For the rest of you ... take a hike. "

Jay wrote on September 29, 2008 4:08 pm:
" Why not cut the big retirement funds for president, vp, congress, senate for one year, and cut their salaries in half and put into the financial crisis. Let the banks go bankrupt someone will buy. "

you must remember this. . . wrote on September 29, 2008 4:13 pm:
" The Republicans haven't done a good job but aren't responsible for all the blame, the banking/brokerage mess got a good start under the Clinton administration, who if I am not mistakend, created and supported The Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 which removed restrictions on the integration of banking, insurance and stock trading imposed by the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. Under the old law, banks, brokerages and insurance companies were effectively barred from entering each others' industries, and investment banking and commercial banking were separated. "

Nina wrote on September 29, 2008 4:13 pm:
" Boehner has some good points - there is more than one way to approach this, and what is quickest isn't necessarily the best. If Pelosi's comments didn't set well, they can be disputed, but if her comments alone swayed a dozen Republicans, that says to me they must be pretty shallow in their reasoning on what is best for the country. Incumbents had better get to it here, if not for the sake of the country, for their own sakes - they need to modify the plan to satisfy more constituents, and they need to get down to business so they can campaign against those who would unseat them. Vote against the peoples' wishes or ignore them - either one carries big risks, but not as big as risking another great depression. What woes the Bush years have wrought! But the harm is done, so we can only try to cope with it. "

Say What wrote on September 29, 2008 4:18 pm:
" I see the Bushies are trying to lay the blame of this mess at the feet of Clinton but it's not going to work this time.

What they forget is that Bush pushed for the "The American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003" which helped thousands of low to moderate income and minority families with downpayment and closing costs, which represent the greatest barrier to homeownership. With that the rate of minority homeownership has climbed above 50 percent, and more than 2.5 million minority families have become new homeowners.

Now, how can Clinton be blamed for something that Bush wanted and got?

This is why the republicans are going to lose big in November because they refuse to admit they made a mistake. "

Upset wrote on September 29, 2008 4:21 pm:
" If you are blaming President Bush for the House failing to pass this bailout measure, you are not thinking straight. He did not direct the Republicans to vote against the measure. Barney Frank and his incendiary comments, as well as Nancy Pelosi's partisan speech did not help. That aside, I have decided not to vote for any incumbent this election. You guys have met your doom as far as holding any office.

Further, these guys in office don't have to worry about retirement either, since they don't have to worry about 401(k) contributions or savings plans like us working people.

I'd like to say it's good to have a job now, but I don't know if I will should this keep holding up. I'd like to say it's good to have a house now, but I don't know if I will if this keeps up. I'd like to say it's good to have security knowing my savings and retirement accounts are in banks or credit unions, but I don't know if I can say that now. "

Beamer wrote on September 29, 2008 4:22 pm:
" I'm so sick of everyone blaming this on this party and that on the other. People....you can say what you want but remember, our congress is Democrat heavy and they are voting on every bill and initiative that is proposed. Hilary Clinton herself voted for the deregulation! So instead of wasting time pointing fingers and placing blame, let's talk about how to fix it, then DO IT!!! And hold onto your butts...it's going to be a heck of a ride! "

So.. wrote on September 29, 2008 4:43 pm:
" the banks that took outrageous risks that are now going under should be saved and the ones who stuck to their guns get nothing? Pathetic really. None of thes banks are going to learn anything from bailing them out. Im not saying not do it but there has to be some form of punishment for them giving out loans to anyone the deem worhthy. "

whatever wrote on September 29, 2008 4:51 pm:
" Now, let's let the "free market" take care of it. As I have stated an economic calamity may be the only way we can regain much of the freedom, whether personal, political or economic that we have lost under the Bush/Neocon administration. It will be interesting to see how the November elections pan out as almost all are in agreement that Americans are in agreement for once that this was bad legislation. We all should have paid serious attention to Ron Paul and others like him, they truly understand monetary policy and economics. More so that probably anyone else in government right now. And they certainly understand the meaning of the United States and what it takes to be an American. Hopefully this situation gets dire enough that all of the Neocons can be exposed and dealt with as the Constitution(that piece of paper Bush ignores) provides for traitors. "

Yep wrote on September 29, 2008 5:04 pm:
" I doubt Bush really cares, he's about done and will get a nice pension,
health car, guards and perks for the rest of his life, so why should he
care. Pelosi has been a trouble maker from day one. She needs to be
ousted. So the banks won't have money to lend. Maybe its time for people
to quit spending beyond their earnings!!! "

Deal maker wrote on September 29, 2008 5:20 pm:
" If the big banks can by up firms for pennies on the dollar, why not beat them at their own game. Have the Fed offer to purchase those "securities" for 10 or 15 cents on the dollar, freeze the interest rates for the mortgagee, allowing them to avoid forclosure and possibly bankruptcy, allowing them to pay back the loan as set out in their closing papers. If 75% of the mortgages where paid back in full that could return 500% on the Fed's investment. The big plus is it shouldn't cost more than 10% or 15% of the $700 billion asked for. "

mike lacroix wrote on September 29, 2008 5:39 pm:
" Another prime example of our legislation cant put their pants on without some problem.At first i was leary of this bailout but being in the construction industry and seeing so many forclosed homes and banks sitting on them I changed my mind.I think the biggest problem with democrats and republicans in office is lack of common sense.They propose a bailout proposel but want to cater it fit their own needs. It seems they dont want to step on the big banks and oil companies toes.I dont mind paying a little extra on taxes to keep families and children in their homes, but aparently the senators etc have no worries about the country that may go into a massive recession or worse as aparently they have plenty of money to ride it out Its sad that our government doesnt do whats in the best interest of the people just themselves as you can see with the resolution being shot down. I know its a scary bill to pass but what choice do we have now.If this doesnt go back and pass how many of us will even be able to afford the newspaper.Im curious to see what happens if China and other countries that we have been borrowing from decide to want their money back.We the people of this great country need to step up to the plate and tell congress and legislature that they work for us not the other way around and get off their tails and pass a workable plan before more families and their children end up on the streets.. "

Ninajean Rohlfs wrote on September 29, 2008 5:40 pm:
" So I wonder what Beamer's assessment is of the fact that while 40% of Democrats voted against the bailout, more than two-thirds of the Republicans did. That info is taken directly from the story printed on this site. "

Oh really O_Really Factor wrote on September 29, 2008 6:52 pm:
" If you had actually read the article, you'd have seen that 'Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., the whip, estimated that Pelosi’s speech changed the minds of a dozen Republicans who might otherwise have supported the plan.
'That amounted to an appalling accusation by Republicans against Republicans, said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the Financial Services Committee: “Because somebody hurt their feelings, they decide to punish the country.”' "

MarkyMark wrote on September 29, 2008 7:45 pm:
" So let me get this straight, my Neo-Con friends. These guys get scolded by Nancy so they vote the other way? What are they, 7th graders?

More Republican symbolism over substance than ever before. "

Hillary wrote on September 29, 2008 8:04 pm:
" Explain to me, Beamer, how Hillary could have voted "Yes" on a Wall Street deregulation bill, that occurred in 1999, while she was first lady?

In all fairness, Bill Clinton did sign the Republican sponosored bill. It was authored by Phil Grahamm, McCains economic advisor. "

JB wrote on September 29, 2008 8:24 pm:
" The people that helped cause this mess not having to guts to try to fix it. They are just trying to cover their rears so they can say we wanted better. "

ted wrote on September 29, 2008 8:46 pm:
" This is just a preview of how Pelosi and Obama will run the country next year, chaos and imcompetence. "

Yup wrote on September 29, 2008 10:10 pm:
" I haven't decided if this is good or bad. I know from listening to the news tonight that this 108 page plan was put together so fast, that the house members didn't even read it all. I don't want them to vote on anything this important if they don't know what it contains. As far as the republicans voting no, it was told tonight that after Pelosi's 5 minute lecture on why everything was Bush's fault and the repubs fault, the republicans weren't too keen on voting for something she put together, then they noticed all her trusted dems closest to her were voting no. That was enough to tell them they needed to vote no. I know my small 401k plan is losing money fast, but no one is sure if this bailout will stop the bleeding. I also know that as of July 2008 Ben Bernacke told congress the economy was going to be fine, Freddie and Fannie wouldn't fail. So I don't see where it's all congress's fault either. If you hadn't noticed, the economy was pretty good to OK when Greenspan was in, went downhill with Bernacke. Could just have been it's time, however, I wonder what would have happened if Greenspan never left. Lastly, where are Obama and McCain. They are somewhat silent on all of this, which tells me neither one has a clue. "

Jerry Simpson wrote on September 29, 2008 10:22 pm:
" John McCain's behavior in this fiasco has been very disappointing. First he said the fundamental of the economy are strong. Then he said we are on the verge of a depression. Then he suspended his campaign to go to Washington to get the House Republicans on Board - a group that barely tolerates him. Today he took credit for getting the rescue plan passed, but then the rescue plan failed. Who is this guy and and what happened to "straight talk". "

It seems that wrote on September 29, 2008 10:36 pm:
" most people fail to understand that while this bailout package may not have been anyone's first choice,it's too late to have too many options.Anybody with a basic knowledge of economics will tell you that the credit markets, will be frozen, and the ability of companies to raise short-term cash to pay bills will be affected, including their ability to make payroll, leading to more layoffs.We can argue how it helps the fat cats on Wall Street but this bailout would have preserved our jobs as well.So let's not be naive and cut our noses of to spite our face. "

William Skripka wrote on September 29, 2008 10:49 pm:
" People please make no mistake about it,the Bail Out Bill would not help the economy, it would just line the pockets of Wall Street with our tax dollars. The market needs to stabilize and we can not do that with flooding the market with debt.Anyone that knows anything about basic Austrian economics will tell this is one of the worst thing to do. This is not capitalism, this is socialism. This Bill would destroy our dollar. Please take the time to thank Terry, Smith,Fortenberry. I urge people to spread the word. "

Eric wrote on September 29, 2008 11:39 pm:
" People don't understand how far this thing could go. The government does not have the ability to distribute funds to individuals and/or all the small community banks quickly, but they can bail out the larger institutions that loan to small banks. It does completely suck, but the average citizens way of life is at stake. What this means is that when your company has a down month, it can't get a short term loan to make payroll, so no PAY CHECK, followed by no job. These are loans, not bailout cash, much the same as the Chryler loan in the 80's (paid back) and the loan to Mexico (paid back with interest). Imagine, NO vehicle financing, NO new mortgages, how about NO credit at all. Since 90% of Americans operate on credit, what follows would be empty malls, stores, hotels... So worst case scenario, the world backs away from our markets and we become Mexico. Hey but gas will be cheap! "

grrr wrote on September 30, 2008 1:01 am:
" Do you people understand the point of the bill?? It is not to "bail out Wall Street." While, yes, that is what is taking place the point is to keep the problem from rippling through to YOU - the average American. Try reading the article!

No one wants to bail out these companies, but these companies are the backbone of the U.S. banking structure. Unfortunately, some sort of bail out is absolutely necessary to keep the U.S. economy from catastrophic problems. You need to understand these are not just lemonade stands! "

BH wrote on September 30, 2008 6:04 am:
" Evidently Warren Buffet doesn't think this situation will be the "end of life as we know it". He just tossed in 5-billion last week. The "tiny financial planner" in another article made mention of looking for bargains. Kinda the same type of thinking as Mr. Buffet. These "loans" were packaged and sold and resold, until the last person holding them figured out they really weren't worth anything. Try going to the Pit Boss in Vegas when you've gambled all your money away and see what happens. "

Whoa ted wrote on September 30, 2008 6:17 am:
" McCain was already claiming he was responsible for the passage of this bill when his Republican breathren pulled their votes and torpedoed it. Pelosi delived 2/3s of the Democrats for the vote. If McCain could have delivered half of the Republicans, it would have passed. McCain takes credit for passing a bill that did not pass thanks to Republicans? Is this how a McCain white house will be run? What a joke. This bill didn't pass because the representatives, include all three of ours, love their jobs more than they love their country. Where did "Country First" go? "

This blame game is nuts wrote on September 30, 2008 6:36 am:
" 12 of 37 democracts on Barney Franks OWN committee voted against this. Over 90 dems in total, some of which were on the finance committee .... why? because they were up for re-election and didn't want to get "blamed" for this bill and lose the election ... NOW, who is doing what is in the best interest of our country?? If they are afraid to pass this, is it really the right thing to do??? "

Scott wrote on September 30, 2008 7:22 am:
" I knew something was very wrong when my mortgage lender kept trying to talk me into a payment that was 100's of dollars above what I could afford. Thankfully I was smart enough to say no. Now I see what happens when hundreds of thousands of people let strangers make their financial decisions for them. Let's all teach our children a little restraint so we can avoid this in the future, shall we? "

karwied wrote on September 30, 2008 8:10 am:
" My spouse and I started taking our money out of our 401k and also emptied our stock portfolio a few weeks ago. Our homes are paid for and so are our vehicles. We will sit back(with our cash) and watch with interest what happens. Remember, 94 Democrats voted NO to this bill and it lacked only 12 votes from passing. Why blame the Republicans? Blame the banks for loaning money to people who couldn't repay the loans and also blame the people for borrowing the money who were too stupid (yes, stupid) to understand that they would have a higher interest rate eventually which would mean an increase in payment. "

karwied wrote on September 30, 2008 8:48 am:
" Also remember that even though Warren Buffet is a Nebraskan, he is NOT going to invest money that he thinks he is going to lose....he will come out smelling like a rose and increase his wealth by billions. Do you really think he is doing this to help you? I read where he invested in some Chinese thing. Way to go Warren.... "

JB wrote on September 30, 2008 9:02 am:
" Doing nothing is not a option. Just a bunch of gutless wonders trying to cover their rears. "

Proud American wrote on September 30, 2008 9:11 am:
" I think this is a very difficult topic to understand overall, especially when everyone is so eager to play the blame game. What I don't understand is why aren't we holding mortgage firms responsible when they were the ones preying on consumers, hedging their bets on making more in fees and interest versus losing money in foreclosures. And what about the uneducated house buyers who only contributed to this mess? Why do they deserve a bailout? I realize the economy is in immediate trouble and there seems to be no quick and dirty fix, but I want to know what steps are being taken so this doesn't happen again 20 years down the road? "

JOHNGUY wrote on September 30, 2008 9:18 am:
" i don't know about any of you, but my bank (Wells Fargo) is fine. I don't make enough to gamble my hard earned money on the markets, though i've certainly rued that fact when yall were makin' big returns.

Bill Clinton talked on Letterman a week ago about how this got started. Now I know yall don't respect Bill very much, but he said some interesting things. check out the youtube videos. Chris Rock follows up on the same show and slams Clinton for not mentioning Barack enough. It's pretty funny. "

Alan wrote on September 30, 2008 11:46 am:
" This is about so much more than mortgages. If we have 3 million homes in danger of foreclosure and they are upside down in their loans by $100k each that’s $300 billion. Where is the rest going? Into the pockets of the people who made this mess. Remember Paulson worked for Goldmans’. Letting Congress watch over our money is like letting a dog guard your food. Prices need to fall, bad businesses need to go bankrupt. "

Republican wrote on September 30, 2008 11:55 am:
" George, not only have you ruined our economy, you've now ruined McCain's campaign with your failed policies coming to a head 30 days before the election. I'm sorry to say it, but the Fat Lady has just begun singing to the McCain campaign. "

Yup wrote on September 30, 2008 12:00 pm:
" Just read that 80% of main street americans are against the bailout in its present form. We elect our house and congressmen to represent us, and our house just did that. If anyone has looked, the market has calmed down today and is doing resonably well. "

to Whoa ted wrote on September 30, 2008 4:14 pm:
" "Pelosi delived 2/3s of the Democrats for the vote." What?? How in the heck can you think the Leader of the Majority is doing such a great job when she only delivers 2/3s of her own party's votes?????? And where was Obama?? Isn't he a DEMOCRAT??? If Pelosi delivered 2/3s, couldn't Obama at least deliver 1/3 of his own party's votes???!! Admit it - this bailout stinks so bad even the liberal/socialist Democrats are standing in the back of the room... "

why is it wrote on September 30, 2008 4:52 pm:
" all we hear from democrats on this issue and other is who is to blame, and what the republicans did and can't do .... nobody (mainly obama) is telling me what he has done ... remember, McCain called this crisis in 2004 - and a line of democrats laughed and failed to pass a bill to prevent it .... had this been fixed then with Freddie and Fannie, we wouldn't have these issues today - regardless of what G. Bush has done.

Also, we have had a democratic controlled congress for years now .... how can all this be George Bushes fault? they have way more control - he may propose budgets, laws, etc. - but they pass them and/or fail to pass them.

Seems there is a lot of "blood" on their hands and all they can do is point fingers .... GO FIGURE "

anon wrote on September 30, 2008 10:24 pm:
" I listened to Pelosi's supposedly "inflammatory" speech and really don't know what all the fuss is about. She presented her side for sure, but she gave Republicans credit for doing the right thing by supporting the plan.

Oponents have no more than vague "she's mean to us" statements. What did she say that you have a problem with? "

e wrote on September 30, 2008 10:28 pm:
" George! Stop trying to fix the nation! You've got five weeks until the Presidential election, so you should just sit in your office and stop ruining stuff! You've done enough! "