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By Holly Lafferty

Saturday, Aug 16, 2008 - 01:06:46 am CDT

The recent headlines about the legalization of gay marriage in California and the efforts to reverse that decision have left me dismayed. I may be in the minority among my fellow Christians, but I find myself increasingly ashamed by the words and actions of the leaders of the religious right.

Why are so many squandering precious time in an attempt to outlaw gay marriage? We could be putting our efforts for God to much better use!

There are far more pressing issues the world is facing today. It should not be the priority of so many to prevent two men from calling themselves “husband and husband” rather than “partners.” Those who find homosexuality offensive to their sensibilities cannot prohibit gay relationships altogether. Seeing photos of Britney Spears without her underwear on is offensive to my sensibilities, but it seems to have sparked a trend rather than triggered legal action.

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Our Constitution grants “liberty and justice for all.” Our country was established on the principle of freedom. Our founders wanted to find a refuge from religious persecution, and that means independence for everyone — even those with whom some Christians disagree.

Believers must acknowledge that God grants humans free will. Most people, Christian or not, would agree that our society takes the concept of “free will” to its extreme — young girls are sexualized at an alarmingly young age; kids steal prescription medication from their parents; Dina Lohan, mother of Lindsay Lohan, gets her own reality show — these and many other travesties are occurring around the nation. Cynics and historians concur that the nature of society is that it will deteriorate.

So, with all of the quandaries our culture is facing today, why is banning gay marriage the focus of so many Christians’ efforts? Some argue that by allowing gays to marry, we undermine the sanctity of marriage. I would counter that 10-hour celebrity marriages and drive-through churches undermine the sanctity of marriage. Divorce undermines the sanctity of marriage; at least when it’s for careless reasons. I’m not referring to those who have been abused or cheated on, but rather to the large number of Americans who find divorce an easy out when they start experiencing typical problems in their relationships.

Unfortunately for them, if  members of the religious right spent as much time condemning divorce as they do gay marriage, they’d alienate half of their members.

No, it is not same-sex marriage that should determine the sanctity of one’s own marriage. One’s commitment (or lack thereof) is going to determine the sanctity of his or her marriage. How someone else defines marriage should not be the barometer by which we all measure ourselves.

It is precarious for Christians to judge others. “Judge not, that you may not be judged” (Matthew 7:1). One who finds condemning others a more valid pastime than the pursuit of bettering themselves should heed this warning. I think we’ve seen enough anti-gay Christian leaders outed in the headlines lately to know it’s true.

Moreover, religious legalism distracts from the foundation of Christianity. “Jesus replied, ‘The most important commandment is this: Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord. And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.’ The second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.” (Mark 12:29-31).

So I beseech you, fellow Christians, to start “loving your neighbor as yourself.” We could make a greater difference by trying to live out this commandment than by trying to compel others in society to adhere to a specific set of rules. What if everyone from the religious right who is disputing gay marriage devoted their efforts to improving society in ways that might actually effect change?

Volunteer at a soup kitchen; lobby for a reformed foster care system; donate money to nonprofits that help terminally ill children. In the many causes such as these, we can actually hope to make a tangible difference. Wouldn’t Christians make a lot more headway in their cause to witness for Christ if they spent more time actually reaching out and less time pointing fingers?

Holly Lafferty works at Nebraska Wedding Day magazine.


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Edgar Pearlstein wrote on August 16, 2008 7:56 am:
" It seems that the essence of some people's Christianity is to find things to be against. "

peb wrote on August 16, 2008 8:30 am:
" Well said Holly. I have yet to receive a concise, logical answer to my question: Why should the beliefs of some religions be made into law?

Having the beliefs of some religions made into law is entering a "slippery slope." The religion I grew up in believes that drinking alcohol is a sin. "

JpS wrote on August 16, 2008 8:58 am:
" Holly, that is your oppinion and personal decision...GO FOR IT!

Please, don't lay your personal decision on others. Gay/lesbian marriage
is both perverted and a sin....don't be critical of Christians and other people because they don't agree with you.

That's my story and I am sticking to it "

another point of view wrote on August 16, 2008 9:03 am:
" If marriage, the foundation of our families and the foundation of our society, isn’t worth fighting for, what is?

Lafferty says that celebrity marriages, drive-through churches and careless divorce undermine the sanctity of marriage. True indeed! It isn’t in a vacuum that the drive for gay marriage is occurring. This drive for gay marriage is happening at a time when the assault on marriage is at an all-time high, in many ways. If these other assaults on marriage were not occurring, would the idea of “gay marriage” even be approached?

A Heritage Foundation study found that about 14 percent of girls who have had intercourse have attempted suicide; 5 percent of sexually inactive girls have and that about 6 percent of sexually active boys have tried suicide; less than 1 percent of sexually inactive boys have. Meth use is on the rise. The most fundamental foundation of human society is under attack, and we all — women and men, adults and children — are drifting and lost as we search for that stability.

It’s critical that we strive on all fronts to strengthen marriage, and to remember that marriage is the foundation of the family. Separating marriage from raising children is a mistake, and suggesting that marriage is simply about one person loving another person is also a mistake.

Supporting marriage between one man and one woman isn’t about judging people; we are all fallen, every last one of us, married and single alike. It’s simply about recognizing the truth of our nature, supporting strong families and building the foundations of a strong society. "

debbie wrote on August 16, 2008 9:06 am:
" Thank-you "

enough already wrote on August 16, 2008 9:27 am:
" other christians should quit wasting time attacking christians who will not just accept the promotion of homosexuality "

Christians wrote on August 16, 2008 10:00 am:
" point fingers when they have malice and bitterness in their own heart. God doesn't see you just in Church, but all the time. ALL THE TIME. So be heterosexual and be married and have that 2.5 ratio of children with the house and the picket fence. If you abuse an animal, you are still a sinner. If you lose your temper because you cannot tolerate another, what is that? Once you get God in your heart, you let go of the control and help your fellow man and give freely of your time to a charity that you have a passion for. Money is evil if not shared and if a person can't figure out they control very little in their lives, then they are wasting time that could be spent helping others. Using God to benefit yourself thinking it will get you to those pearly gates, is pretty dense. If you don't feel it in your heart, then you are a fake. "

Ripper wrote on August 16, 2008 11:02 am:
" I believe in loving my neighbor-I love those who murder, those who rape, those who abuse-but it doesn't mean I want to go out and make murder, rape and abuse legal. God also calls on us to love him with all our heart, all our soul and all our might. He calls upon us to obey. If I love my friends who are homosexual it does not mean I have to love fornication. Oh by the way, before you reach for the bottle of criticism. I do most of things you mentioned in your last paragraph as well. "

to enough already wrote on August 16, 2008 11:38 am:
" just because you don't agree with other christians doesn't mean you are attacking them--doesn't look like an attacking article to me "

ET wrote on August 16, 2008 12:40 pm:
" Ripper - Homosexuality is not the same as rape or murder. Comparing these things together is asinine. And really, just because you do good deeds, doesn't make you automatically a good person and/or forgive your own sins. Al Capone was charitable in his life as well. "

Rob Anderson wrote on August 16, 2008 1:13 pm:
" Historically speaking, a decline in the institution of marriage is one of the precursors of the decline of a society. Clear back to the decline of the Roman Empire the beginning of the end was the diminishing value placed on the family unit. Without a valid conventional family structure a society will not last.

I challenge you to explore the statistics for same sex marriages; the impact on the adopted (or preexisting) children of those marriages is huge. The statistics are not encouraging concerning drug /alcohol abuse, school performance and crime. It takes a mom and a dad to raise children. For those of you single parents, my hat is off to you! I know first hand the struggles of growing up in a single parent home and I honor you (and my mom) for your efforts!

For those ambivalent to same sex marriage... As a parent, if something were to happen to my wife and me, I do not want my children adopted by a same sex couple. Could people in a same sex marriage love and care for my children, absolutely? They would not get the proper moral example or training. Same sex lifestyles are immoral. Immorality is present in conventional marriages, no question. At the same time, an institution like same sex marriage will never be moral. Same sex marriage may one day be legal but never moral. Morality is determined by principles not changing public opinion.

Isaiah 5:20 (New King James Version) Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil "

Rae wrote on August 16, 2008 1:59 pm:
" Im going to stick with what the bible says on this one. The bible says to not add or substract from the Word. And when we decide to make up our own set of rules, we are adding or subtracting to what God has set forth for us to obey.


Who did Jesus Christ hang out with?? The least of these, the outcasts of society. I will not endorse gay marriages or a gay lifestyle. But I will embrace all gays - as they too are my "neighbor." The God I serve expects nothing less. "

The point wrote on August 16, 2008 2:43 pm:
" The point of her article is that while the church is focusing on stopping to loving gay people from having the same benefits of life as two non-gay couples, we could be focusing on helping the needy.. Not trying to 'prove' our principles to god by making our law a replica of the bible. The consitution was built on freedom from tieriny, and we are establishing tieriny with our christian ideals on those that are non-believers.. "

to Ripper wrote on August 16, 2008 3:38 pm:
" You're really comparing those who "rape, murder, and abuse" in the same category as gays? I don't see homosexuals committing crimes against other humans. What a ridiculous comparison. "

Luke Peterson wrote on August 16, 2008 5:36 pm:
" To JpS: Would you believe your moral beliefs are pushed onto others? If you think not, you are wrong. Everyone does it and we are all guilty of that sin.

To Rob Anderson: How is my life-style a sin? I pay taxes. I am a valuable member of my family (uncle to three children, youngest of my siblings and an included tax break for my parents). I don't see how my "same-sex lifestyle" is more sinful than yours. I am a college student, a dilligent worker and some of my straight friends consider me to be their best friend. Your issue of me being more of a sinner than you is like calling God, "Allah." We're one of the same, only just with different attractions in people.

To the Heritage Foundation person: You're citing sources from the Heritage Foundation....WHY?! You might as well got those figures from "Focus on the Family."

I say all the time here people. To think of gay people as "those people" is to equate your own family members, friends, neighbors, co-workers and even fellow parishioners in that negative connotation. Is that really the "Christian" thing to do? Of coarse not and that is what Holly Lafferty is saying. And for those who don't understand that, I'm sorry you feel that way. "

excellent article wrote on August 16, 2008 8:07 pm:
" Just one question. Does anyone know how gay couples undermine marriage? My husband left me with four small children because he wanted to fly air planes, golf more, and drive race cars. What did any gay couple on earth have to do with that? When I hear that gay marriage undermines marriage, I just don't get it. What does it matter to a heterosexual couple? "

Tzi wrote on August 16, 2008 8:10 pm:
" ...Holly - you'd profit if Gay marriage became legal since you work for a Wedding Magazine.

I'm curious - should a serious Christian Grocer knowingly sell wine to a drunkard who abuses his kids while intoxicated? Remember - you just told us we're not supposed to judge others.... "

Whoa JpS wrote on August 16, 2008 8:24 pm:
" Isn't your comment: "Gay/lesbian marriage
is both perverted and a sin" pretty much laying YOUR personal decision on others? Which side of your mouth will you speak out of next? "

Okay Knowitalls wrote on August 16, 2008 8:36 pm:
" So for as long as this stupid argument has gone on, I've never seen anyone propose a solution for people in my shoes. I'm a guy who has never been attracted to a woman in my life. I'm not a very good liar and I don't have any interest in faking it. I'm also smart enough to know that I don't want to ruin two people's lives by playing straight for the sake of a sham marriage (which there are a whole lot more of out there than people realize - you know who you are).

So what are my options? Toe the Christian party's line and be celibate all my life? Pursue a homosexual relationship and hide it in the closet for the rest of my life? Or join the effort to legalize same-gender marriage and unite with the legions of miserable married folk who apparently are so bored with their own marriages that their only recreation is discriminating against anyone who is just a little too unlike themselves. Which one of these choices, exactly, are you people proposing for people like me?

And Edgar Pearlstein, you rock. "

Cole wrote on August 16, 2008 10:34 pm:
" Divorce is mentioned many, many, many more times in the Bible. Why aren't you Christians pounding your fists on the table demanding a constitutional ban on divorce? Answer - protestant Christians have a higher divorce rate than any other cult. If you followed the Bible and didn't "make up your own rules" as Rae says, you'd be stoning 20% of your congregation every Sunday for this - then the other 80% would kill each other when they find out that the Sabbath is really Saturday. The Bible is about as far from any moral example as we can get. Had their been a copyright on the golden rule, the Bible's divinely inspired authors would have payed a fortune in royalties. Most everything else in it sets a terrible example of how to live your life.

Biologically, we SHOULD find the thought of physical intimacy with someone of the same gender unpleasant. I do. Yet there are quite a few of the opposite gender I would run away from even faster. Heterosexual Christians use their religion as a tool to fight homosexuality because they think it's gross - nothing more. Having the ancient and "inerrant" word of God mention it a couple of times is like throwing gasoline on the fire and makes it easy to get behind (so to speak). This is how the KKK justifies its activities.

I support gay marriage for three reasons: 1. Gay couples do their part to stem over-population and, by consequence are also good for the environment. 2. Gay men make the best waiters - everybody knows it - and we need other professional, salaried gay men to connect with and support them. 3. Keeping someone from being happy is hurtful and abusive - and mean people suck. "

Zoomie wrote on August 16, 2008 11:58 pm:
" Given that this nation was NOT a theocratic nation, not intended to be a "Christian" nation (show me where "Jesus" or "Christ" appear in the Constitution), I don't see how we can continue to discriminate against homosexuals. The U.S. Gov't (GAO study) has determined no less than 1,800 different ways in which homosexuals are discriminated against by state and federal laws, most obviously for example in the area of living wills, inheritance, and tax laws. Until then (and the reason many state Supreme Courts have concluded anything less than recognizing gay marriage is an unconstitutional violation of their equal rights under the law), I go with the concept that ALL Americans be treated the same, straight or gay! You don't have to approve of their behavior, but to deny them their rights is flat out bigotry and discrimination!
Oh, and reason this is getting the Christian Right so upset is that after getting enough signatures to get a repeal of gay marriage on the November ballot as a referendum, they're upset that their wording of "preserving the sanctity of marriage" (which sounds so nice and innocent) has been replaced by the very accurate (and more truthful) wording which says the referendum is to deny to homosexuals the same right to marry as heterosexuals. Polls show when phrased this way, most Californians don't support the refendum! "

Holly Lafferty wrote on August 17, 2008 12:34 am:
" " ...Holly - you'd profit if Gay marriage became legal since you work for a Wedding Magazine.

I'm curious - should a serious Christian Grocer knowingly sell wine to a drunkard who abuses his kids while intoxicated? Remember - you just told us we're not supposed to judge others.... "

What on earth does my working for a wedding magazine have to do with anything? As an employee and not the owner, I would not profit at all from gay marriage becoming legal. For someone who is calling me out on not judging others, that is a pretty judgmental (and seriously offensive) comment to me. "

Bible wrote on August 17, 2008 12:37 am:
" The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is abomination against God -- and that as Christians we are to witness Christ.

I question this author's understanding of what it means to be Christian - To love the sinner but hate the sin...

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts,

Leviticus 18: 22-29 - You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. And you shall not lie with any beast and defile yourself with it, neither shall any woman give herself to a beast to lie with it: it is perversion. "Do not defile yourselves by any of these things, for by all these the nations I am casting out before you defiled themselves; and the land became defiled, so that I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. But you shall keep my statutes and my ordinances and do none of these abominations, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you (for all of these abominations the men of the land did, who were before you, so that the land became defiled); lest the land vomit you out, when you defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. 29 For whoever shall do any of these abominations, the persons that do them shall be cut off from among their people.

Peace! "

Ken wrote on August 17, 2008 6:09 am:
" Why are all these people wasting their time listening to you? "

t wrote on August 17, 2008 7:44 am:
" i seriously question your understanding of the bible. the author isn't gay she isn't practicing any of these things all your verses are saying being gay is wrong and yeah christians would agree as i'm sure that the author does. but does the bible say that a marrage is defined as if the US govt says it's marrage that God has to accept it? please find that verse for me. you won't be able to the only true marrage is in a church before God and you show me a church that will marry gays and i'll show you a false church. i have a request you anyone to post after this please work on your readying comprehension and make arguments not personal attacks.
i think people need to realize that allowing gay marrage to be recognized by the govt and accepting it as a religious union is two separate things. i for one am against gay marrage if it's up for a vote i will vote against it but i'm not going to waste my time fighting it i would rather try to fight against good christians thinking that devorce or premarital sex is acceptable. i would rather spread Gods word by doing good deeds and helping people in need.
on a final note we may not like it but we all as americans have the freedom to do whatever we want as long as those freedoms don't take away from someone elses freedoms. so until this is changed( which it better never change as this is what makes America a great nation) Gay people being gay doens't hurt anyone anymore than what straight couples hurt people. "

Bubba wrote on August 17, 2008 8:31 am:
" Sorry, if I am a "Christian" then I am to follow what the Bible says. Not choose what is convient for me. Who said it was to be easy? Society seems to demand that the interpretation of the Bible be changed to fit it's desires rather than the individual change it's desires or actions to become a true "Christain". Even the Muslim extremeist look upon this country aas being without god. have we given them any reason they should think that?

To make it simple, If I am a christian than I try to live my life according to the principles set forth in the Bible. I don't think that I have the power to to change to principles for my convience or desires. "

bo wrote on August 17, 2008 8:49 am:
" Christianity is all about attacking beliefs that differ from their own. not unlike many major religons. "

jo gale wrote on August 17, 2008 9:34 am:
" anyone who has ever read the bible realizes there are many contradictions, so i suggest be kind to anyone and everyone (who is also kind) even if they are different from you because we all agree that is what Jesus did.

“No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means” "

Bible continued wrote on August 17, 2008 9:48 am:
" Leviticus 20:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood.
Leviticus 20:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. "

to Bible wrote on August 17, 2008 10:36 am:
" The fact that you feel the need to resort to a personal attack such as "questioning this author's understanding of the Bible" tells me you are struggling to find logic to support your argument and tell me where in this article the author says that homosexuality is or isn't okay. It doesn't so you shouldn't assume. "

Lindsay wrote on August 17, 2008 1:58 pm:
" I'm married yet I feel not one iota threatened by the gays. I've found them to be great neighbors, friends and co-workers.

Oddly enough, why are fundamentalist christians so obsessed with the sex everyone else is having? I've never come across a group of people that care more about what other people are doing in bed than them. Sometimes I wonder if there is a jealousy complex at work. "

Josh wrote on August 17, 2008 3:10 pm:
" [Jesus] answered, "Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery." I guess even though the Bible clearly says no divorce, it is ok to ignore that part..... "

Ihrtlincoln wrote on August 17, 2008 3:36 pm:
" OMG! Rob Anderson the Roman Empire "fell" because they outsourced their military protection to barbarian mercenaries who upped the ante of payment till it became more prosperous to invade than extort. By that time the Romans were Christians. Maybe if you spent less time picking on gays, you'd have more time to read about our history. "

vio wrote on August 17, 2008 5:23 pm:
" Prejudices are what fools use for reason. "

beerorkid wrote on August 17, 2008 9:55 pm:
" Thanks for this article.

I feel so sorry for those who have been sucked into the religious rights agenda of using alternative lifestyle folks as a wedge issue to get votes. It is really sad to see Christians focusing on 5% of our population with so much negativity and at times intense hate. "

religion seperates people wrote on August 17, 2008 11:52 pm:
" isn't church and state suppose to be separate? your religious beliefs should have nothing to do with making laws that effect other people. Shame on you religious right! "

Luckily wrote on August 17, 2008 11:59 pm:
" Good thing Holly doesn't work in any state government agency!
She would be fired tomorrow for simply voicing her opinion on
such a "controversial" issue. "

capone or falwell wrote on August 18, 2008 7:21 am:
" Et says: 'And really, just because you do good deeds, doesn't make you automatically a good person and/or forgive your own sins. Al Capone was charitable in his life as well' well, yes and so did jerry falwell probably as big a crook as capone and maybe a bigger hate-monger. at least capone was honest and up front with his actions, falwell disguised his ruse as religion. "

Just a matter of time wrote on August 18, 2008 7:43 am:
" Christians, you will soon be the minority. "

heres another nother point of view wrote on August 18, 2008 7:48 am:
" :A Heritage Foundation study found that about 14 percent of girls who have had intercourse have attempted suicide; 5 percent of sexually inactive girls have and that about 6 percent of sexually active boys have tried suicide; less than 1 percent of sexually inactive boys have." The problem here may in fact be the family you want so to 'save'. Girls suicide attempts are not the result of having had intercourse but their premature sexual activity and suicide are related to another causal agent. This is a spurious relationship you point out, not a causal one as you suggest. It is likely that at least one of the causal agents is in fact 'the family', the heterosexual family. Difficult fact for you to accept to be sure, but the 'family' is also one of the most violent institutions in our society. Girls are more likely to be abused, emotionally and physically within their family than they are by some stranger. Save the good families, some are truly wonderful and that includes Gay and Lesbian ones. Many families are not so good - good riddance to those! "

Right on Holly wrote on August 18, 2008 7:52 am:
" The Christianity of the past 10-20 years is just not the same as that I knew in the 70's. It has become very hate-filled and alienating rather than filled with love and inclusive. Seems kind of hypocritical. "

nic wrote on August 18, 2008 8:24 am:
" i do not understand the big issue about gay marriage....did you know that before 1945 it was illegal for whites to marry blacks.? if you were found to be involved with a "negro" you could be sentenced to prison for up to 5 years and fined 500 dollars. it was considered immoral and a sin..
look at life now, it is the norm and people accept it.. the only ones who dont are the rednecks and the ignorant. you can not judge someone because of who they are thats gods job........and if you do you are going against all of gods teachings...these folks are told god hates them, their familys disown them, they cant tell people the truth about themselves for fear of being treated badly.. but yet you " people of god" tell them its a choice..its not get a clue. you love who you love black white man women mineral or vegtable.. "

Scott wrote on August 18, 2008 8:34 am:
" I have five words that really should end this discussion all together....."Division of Church and State." What this means is that no one cares what your bible says...nor do they care what the Koran says or any other religious novel. Take a course in ethics. You can believe what you want but the government should not ethically take religious hog wash into account when creating laws. End of story. "

Grimms Tales wrote on August 18, 2008 8:50 am:
" I wonder what Grimms's Fairy Tales would say about homosexuality? Or any other book of fairy tales? If we're going to use a book of mythology that is thousands of years old, written by a patriarchal group of wandering sheep herders to guide our lives, why should we make all of our decisions based on fairy tales? "

One trying to be a good Christian. wrote on August 18, 2008 8:55 am:
" After reading these comments it is clear some of you really try to follow the Bible which I admire. I am trying to make up for my past sins so have been reading, studying, trying to follow the Word and be a good Christian. In Leviticus 4:27 it directs "If any one of the common people sins unwittingly in doing any one of the things which the Lord has commanded no to be done, and is guilty. . ."
I'm sure that is me, so it goes on to say I need to offer a female goat, without blemish as a sin offering. Can someone tell me where to get one? Would someone lead me to a priest and the place of burnt offering and help me remove the blood and fat to burn the animal so I may be forgiven? I know I'm new to this but this is really confusing and I have not been in a Church where they remain true to the Word as it is written. "

Nina wrote on August 18, 2008 9:12 am:
" Holly, you said it so well. As Christians, our role is to show God's love here on earth, and He will do the judging. And as my grandson wisely and humorously commented last weekend, "God doesn't make mistakes, and you can tell just by looking at some of them that they were made that way. Even if you don't approve, you should welcome them, because you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar!" "

Josh wrote on August 18, 2008 10:05 am:
" The Gospel of Mark states relates the following story. "One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, “Which commandment is the first of all?” Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one; you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

Considering this came from jesus himself, then all the other stuff you folks are throwing around really doesn't matter. Love God (in your way) and love one another. That is it. Period. End of story. Too bad we can't do what Jesus says we are to do - wouldnt the world be a much better place??? "

Dan wrote on August 18, 2008 10:17 am:
" Can someone please make an argument against gay marriage that does not include passages or references to the Bible. You all claim to get your morals from the bible but I certainly hope that that is not true.

Christians often point to the story of Sodom and Gomorah as proof that Goicd is against homosexuality. For a recap here is how that story goes.

Two angels come to Lot's family in Sodom. The men of the city come to Lot's house and ask to have their way with the travleres that are visiting his home. Lot says, "no, leave these men alone. Here please have your way with my daughters. They are virgins and you can do with them what you will" So this is what supposedly Christians base their morals on. I do not see any Christian families offereing up their virgin daughters in an effort to prevent gay marriage. That is what the Bible "teaches"

The larger point is that the Bible is completely open to interpratation. Everyone reads it diffrently. It was written by various authors over a period of 1500 years. It is full of folklore and tales, the story of people who wrote their history the way they understood it.

The fact is the Bible is irrelevant today. Interesting...absolutely!
On the highly unlikely chance that there is a God the Bible is not worth his name. And a god like the one found in the bible is not one worth worshiping. "

Enki wrote on August 18, 2008 12:05 pm:
" Slavery is immoral too, but it didn't stop christians from doing it for hundreds of years. These days its just economic slavery. The bible people read today was written by men over hundreds of years, it's not "gods" word. "

I wish nosey people would stay out of my bedroom wrote on August 18, 2008 12:29 pm:
" Because I'm too busy sleeping in my bed it with my partner. "

Edgar Pearlstein wrote on August 18, 2008 12:43 pm:
" "God doesn't make mistakes"? How about:

In the story of Noah, it says that God was sorry that he had made man:"And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart" (Genesis 6:6), and regarding all animals "...for it repenteth me that I have made them" (Genesis 6:7).

1Samuel 15:11. "It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king..."
1Samuel 15:35. "...and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over
Israel."

Also, in Exodus 32:14, the god changed his mind about punishing the
Israelites: "And the lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto
his people." "

Ray wrote on August 18, 2008 1:04 pm:
" It on get's better Holly. Well done. I think with all the craziness that goes on in society and all the problems we are faced with today, I honestly don't see how someone can find time to pick at gay marriage. I guess people have nothing else better to do. Maybe they are just bored w/Christianity and need to find something to keep them busy. "

ReadYourOwnWords wrote on August 18, 2008 1:43 pm:
" Don't get me wrong - I am not anit-gay - in fact I have worked with some gay men/women who I would deem as the smartest/best people I have ever met. I also agree that SOME kind of resolution needs to be made here so that gay relationships would somehow get the same legal rights concerning issues like insurance, etc. But - I do NOT think that a legal marriage is the right way to do this!

To this point - I want to point out a sentence you wrote "Cynics and historians concur that the nature of society is that it will deteriorate." - so, isn't that what these Christians against legal homosexual unions trying to prevent?? Why let society deteriorate any further just to allow legal marriages that most believe are immoral in God's eyes?? Why should the rights of the majority be trumped by the rights of the minority? Is that fair?? The pendulum can not just swing one way...gays must respect our rights/concerns just as much as we must respect theirs. "

Jen wrote on August 18, 2008 2:07 pm:
" When will we all step out of caveman times and see the bible for what it truly is: a book of parables meant to guide, not a rule book to beat others over the head with! You can all sit there and pick out verse after verse condemning a homosexual lifestyles, but it's awfully convenient that you so-called "good" Christians pick and choose which parts of the bible to follow and which to ignore. I guess it just all depends on what argument you want to try to win.

But since you are all obviously such devout, wonderful, bible-worshipping people, I am certain that you all stone your children when they misbehave, correct? After all, it is in the bible: Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."

Stop being choosey. Either go all the way, or sit down and keep quiet. Bunch of hypocrites..... "

Nina wrote on August 18, 2008 2:36 pm:
" God doesn't make mistakes in creation. However, people may react to life situations in ways that make God wish to change the scenario. That would be the case in the verses you indicate. Remember, in Genesis, when God completed creation, it says, "And it was good." God hasn't made mistakes in creating us, it's what we've done with what he's given us that are the mistakes. There's a difference. Sometimes children disappoint their parents, and likewise, sometimes we surely disappoint God. That's when the saving grace of Jesus comes into the picture. "

MarkyMark wrote on August 18, 2008 3:31 pm:
" I have read 30 different bibles from cover to cover. I was a strict Roman Catholic for my first 30 years. The more I've seen in my life the more I realize that we have all been taken for a ride. The bible is the most contradicting, piece of hypocritical literature I have ever read. Science has proven most of it wrong. Prayer NEVER works unless you imagine it. Why does man portray God as a mean, vengeful, hot tempered murderer when he is supposed to be an all loving God. Believe what you want. Most people I know are Christians just in case. If you really believed, you would be worshipping all day every Sunday, because it's the first commandment. For you Christian bigots out there, a sin is a sin....your sin is equal to the sin of homosexuality.

For those of us who believe science and not a book full of tales from bronze age mythology, we guide ourselves as humans, not animals. If you need religion, fine, just don't push this on the rest of us. "

Amen. wrote on August 18, 2008 3:44 pm:
" Thank you for this commentary. I hope it sticks with even a few people. "

Jack wrote on August 18, 2008 3:45 pm:
" okay, I need to get this off my chest and then I'll feel much better.

I love how these issue always proceed the same way. "Christians are stupid for 'attacking'..." "You Christians shouldn't tell me what to think..." "Christians..." blah blah blah. Let me rephrase the above in the way it is really meant: "It's wrong for you to tell me you think I'm wrong." If you think it's wrong for Christians to tell you what to think, then why are you telling Christians what to think?

"Why don't Christians lean to be tolerant of others views?" Since when did tolerance mean to be fully accepting of everything? If it does, then why aren't you being accepting of the Christian view?
As far as the connection to homosexuality with rape, murder, abuse. The connection is made because they are issues of behavior. You say: "I was born a homosexual and since you were born that way it is okay". Can't a murder say the same thing? "I was born that way, I can't help myself - thus you can't tell me that what I'm doing is wrong."

NO!! - I am not saying that homosexuality is the same a rape and murder, but if the argument is that since it is natural it's okay can, where do you draw the line.

"But homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody (unlike murder, rape, etc.)." If that is the reason it should be okay, then we shouldn't have a problem with necrophilia for the same reason. Absurd? Yes it is. But why use that reason for homosexuality but not everything else?

If homosexuality is natural, then doesn't it seem odd that nature created the reproductive process to take place between a man and a woman, not a man and a man, etc? Also if homosexuality is moral because it is natural, does that mean that adoption is immoral because it is unnatural?

Holly wrote: "How someone else defines marriage should not be the barometer by which we all measure ourselves" As far as the definition of marriage is outdated and should change to include same-sex marriage. Then why stop with same-sex marriage, what's wrong with poligamy, polyamary (group marriage), beastiality, inanimate objects. If marriage is simply just a definition and we make our own definitions then the natural, logical result is that I can define marriage in such a way that allows me to marry anyone or anything - (but don't let that definition affect you).

It's amazing that when it comes to these issues people like Holly and others have no problems disagreeing with the Christian perspective, but when the Christian disagrees then they are "attacking". Can someone explain to me why it is if you disagree with the Christian your just being disagreeable but when the Christian disagrees it is attacking?

The problem with issues like this is because it's an issue steeped in emotions (hence the name calling for those who disagree with it). But there was a request for arguments against same-sex marriage without using the Bible. You may not agree with it, but hopefully you won't waste your time attacking me for it.

There I feel better. "

Hasus wrote on August 18, 2008 4:03 pm:
" There are so many people who think that being a Christian is believing exactly the opposite of what Christ believed. Like brotherly love and turn the other cheek. "

Tzi wrote on August 18, 2008 6:03 pm:
" So let me get this straight: you work for a Wedding Magazine, you write an article that can be taken as pro Gay Marriage and then act offended when it's pointed out that you could personally benefit? Question: If Homosexual marriage becomes legal in Nebraska, won't your magazine take advertising revenue from people looking for gay clientele? A "no" answer on your part would be discrimination.

A hypocrit is someone who says one thing and does the other. I never said people need to stop judging others - you did, even as you launched in to a judgmental tirade about the "Religious Right". "

UCFan wrote on August 18, 2008 6:55 pm:
" Holly,

First, those who realize that homosexuality is an early death sentence for its practitioners have an obligation. They must tell these poor people that they are killing themselves. Those who oppose homosexuality and tell them why are far more caring than those who tell them to continue doing the very thing that robs them of years of life.

Second, the reason for the elevated status of marriage is because it is the basic building block of society. It is procreative, and the children produced by it form the next generation. It is entirely reasonable for the state to grant special status and benefits to the institution that has procreative potential. Obviously, homosexual marriage will never have that potential.

One has to realize that procreative potential is so unique that it is necessary to have a word to describe the institution that contains it. That word is "marriage."

If the word is doublespeaked to include homosexuals because of the mistaken view that marriage is about orgasmic release or about legal inheritance or some other misguided view of marriage, then it will not be too long before society comes up with some new expression to describe that unique heterosexual institutional bonding within which procreative potential is contained. "

to Jack wrote on August 18, 2008 7:20 pm:
" My dear Jack--

You seem to have overlooked the fact that I, too, am a Christian. The whole point of my article was not to attack Christians but to call us all to be more like Jesus--i.e. love your neighbor. Apparently you saw what you wanted to in my article, because I never stated that marriage should be re-defined---just that we as Christians need to focus our efforts on more positive areas of ministry. My article wasn't even about Christians that are against homosexuality--it was about the people that use Christianity as an excuse to hate gays, launching parades and carrying signs that say "God hates gays." I don't care whether you think homosexuality is right or wrong, there are better ways to spend your time.

You chose to read what you wanted to in my article, rather than reading what was actually on the page. "

Dr. Marshall Thompson wrote on August 18, 2008 7:22 pm:
" I must disagree with Ms. Lafferty that standing firm for biblical principles is a waste of time. "Gay marriage" is an oxymoron and will never exist whether sanctioned by the state or not. It is cruel joke on homosexuals to pretend that they can ever have a relationship that comes close to the institution of marriage as designed by God. Accepting evil does not sound very Christian to me! "

Mammonless wrote on August 18, 2008 7:25 pm:
" Does anyone know how gay couples undermine marriage?....When I hear that gay marriage undermines marriage, I just don't get it. What does it matter to a heterosexual couple? "

Why don't you ask the former wife and children of V. Gene Robinson how the promotion of gay relationships, culminating in "marriage," hurt her family? "

Hallway Monitor wrote on August 18, 2008 7:40 pm:
" Hey TZI where did you get that this was for finacial gain? did it say that the mag is hurting and needs gays to keep the mag operating in the black. you need to get a real issue from the article and make respectful arguments based with some sort of evidence that supports your comment. if you have a copy of the wedding magizines buisness plan or mission statement that states that there future is in gay marriage then i guess i couldn't deny it but i'm guessing you don't. these forums don't need playground bullies. next! "

YXO wrote on August 18, 2008 8:00 pm:
" TZI it would be nice if you quite trolling for responses. I would have to say that you benefit from gay marriage. it looks like it's giving you something to do with your free time. but in all reality if you are a christian true marrage is in a church in front of god between two christians so if this isn't the case then it wouldn't be a real marriage anyway so why bother. yeah they will get a tax break and everything so they will get a larger disposible income that will then benefit the whole economy since we are consumers they will pry spend that money i know i do. so actually best buy and dillards and every store in town would benefit. and it's not like since the govt says its banned will make it go away. they are still here. banning gay marriage won't stop the demise of the country it's still happening regardless "

Blade wrote on August 18, 2008 8:15 pm:
" Why won't big brother post my comment? you have allowed a lot of hatefull stuff and mine was in no way like that. Why is it allowed that people like TZI can post very attacking things. oh well it's not my website. anyway we need to start getting along anyway i may not agree with the gay lifestyle but i have no problem talking golfing or having a conversation with "gays" they are humans just like me and deserve respect from everyone and i would hope they would respect me also. "

Another for Jack wrote on August 18, 2008 8:41 pm:
" Jack. Comparing apples to oranges to make a case is silly. Necrophilia? Bestiality? In your own words, absurd. What you're missing is American consenting adults. That is what makes it ok. Inanimate objects? Already legal with vibrators and sexual enhancers etc. Do you want to outlaw vibrators because you don't use them?

By the way, I'm not attacking you, just debating what you had'nt thought out. This is America. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

There, I got this off my chest and now I feel much better. "

Because I love them wrote on August 18, 2008 8:42 pm:
" This weekend, I had the great honor to witness the union of two amazing, beautiful women who have an incredible, tangible love. I am also a better woman because of my friendship with other gay couples who deeply love each other. God has clearly and without question has put love in the hearts of these couples. Should we deny them a gift God has blessed them with? I don't need a book or a building or priest/pastor/wiseman to allow me to see God's greatest works of love. "

Rxwoman wrote on August 18, 2008 8:45 pm:
" UCFan? Please, tell me, how exactly is homosexuality a "death sentence"? And I know heavy drinking IS a death sentence, but I don't see any of you picketing bars, or liquor stores, or promoting the ban of alcohol.
Secondly, to Bible, and Bubba, and Rae, since the biblical book of Leviticus also says one should not wear clothes made of two kinds of fibers, ( no blends) or cross breed livestock, when will you be picketing livestock breeder, and since it says we are not to make a profit selling food to the poor, when will you attack the grocery stores? And since one is not allowed to charge interest on loans to poor people ( also in Leviticus) when will you be pushing for a ban on credit cards,or payday lenders??
After all as one of you said, you cannot just pick and choose what parts of the bible to follow, so let's see some energy spent on the rest of these horrible sins. "

MarkyMark wrote on August 18, 2008 8:47 pm:
" Nina, I usually agree with you, but not this time. " God doesn't make mistakes in creation"?

If God has created all of us, how do you explain, deformed babies, birth defects, etc, etc?

If he did these abominations for some divine reason, I contend to you that God must have a mean, sadistic side. "

Christian Left wrote on August 18, 2008 8:51 pm:
" The one FACT that drives the religious right crazy and in complete denial is that Jesus Christ according to their own writing was probably the biggest LIBERAL in the history of mankind. That is indisputable. "

Nina wrote on August 18, 2008 9:07 pm:
" MarkyMark, what you say is also true. First of all, the way God created someone is not necessarily, because of the world's nature, how someone develops. A baby conceived as a normal human being can, because of outside influences such as drugs, problems within the mother's body, etc. be born with physical or mental imperfections. That doesn't mean God did it, but it DOES mean he didn't interfere with the way the world works. I hold fast to the fact that Jesus came for us all to have life, and have it abundantly. Of course, we hope and pray that good comes to all, but we know that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I don't understand why he doesn't often intervene, and never will understand on this side, but just have to trust that God's ways are not our ways, and that he will make it all right in the end, so that the troubles we experience here will be as nothing compared to our eternal joy. "