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Tuesday, Jul 01, 2008 - 12:37:19 am CDT

The group Nebraskans United has a problem. Their problem is this: Most Nebraskans are never deliberately discriminatory. Nebraskans United has as its basic premise affirmative action (i.e., preference), a position discriminatory at its core. So members end up opposing an initiative whose language is clearly nondiscriminatory as discriminatory. The offending language is:

“The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting.”

Their protestations notwithstanding, the logic underlying Nebraskans United’s position is inherently racist. If nonwhite non-Asian Americans actually require preferential treatment to compete successfully, they would have to be inferior. If these groups are not inferior, they do not need preference, making the preference discriminatory.

A rather clever cover story for the racism inherently underlying the support of racial preference is worth refuting. This argument is that preference for one group now is needed to offset preference earlier given another group.

But how would preferential treatment of one group in 2008 compensate for the preferential treatment of another group in 1958? The black woman prohibited admission to a college in 1958 to give preference to a white woman is not the black woman given preference for admission to college in 2008. And the white woman prohibited admission to college in 2008 to make way for her black sister is not the white woman who benefited from preference in 1958.

For my part, I opposed preference based on race in 1958, and I remain opposed to preference based on race in 2008.

William Stone, Lincoln

Hardly a citizens initiative

Once again, we are being approached by folks in parking lots with a familiar question, “Are you a registered voter in Nebraska?” I usually respond, “Yes, are you?” One man responded that he is from Missouri. So I asked him if he is a registered voter in Missouri. Realizing that attempting to get a dollar by signing me up was a waste of his time, he moved on to a new person.

Last week, I heard former Attorney General Don Stenberg on the radio telling people they should not be afraid of having their identity stolen by exercising their constitutional right to sign a citizen initiative petition because he did not prosecute one such case during his tenure as attorney general. It left me wondering … how many cases of identify theft did he prosecute, and how would he know how the person got the other person’s identity. But that’s beside the point. When we sign such petitions, we are trusting that our names will not end up on some other list.

Then I did some research on the current citizen initiative, which is billed as intending to end race- and gender-based affirmative action. I even visited the Web site of the group promoting the petition, the Nebraska Civil Rights Initiative. At the bottom of one page, there’s is a little blurb that tells us who is involved in NCRI. Two names are listed — just two names. One is Ward Connerly, a California businessman, and the other is a professor from the University of Nebraska.

Let’s see, a California businessman, a university professor and a bevy of paid circulators from who knows where with who knows what intentions — does that really sound like a “citizens initiative” to you? It sure doesn’t to me.

The Rev. Chuck Bentjen, Beatrice

Account for fair funds

After reading "Lincoln raising questions about fair contributions", I felt a response was needed. This article deals with the money Lincoln has been putting into the State Fair since 2005.

If the figures are correct, Lincoln has given upward of $300,000 per year to the fair. State Fair Executive Director Barney Cosner’s cavalier remark, “I don’t think Lincoln got shortchanged at all,” should be backed up with a detailed accounting of how this money was used.

While we are at it, how was and will the lottery money (about $3 million a year) be used?

It seems to me that the residents of Nebraska should see an accounting of these funds. After all, we did raid the Educational and Environmental Trust Funds to finance this boondoggle we call the Nebraska State Fair. A better name would be the Nebraska State Advertising Venue.

Leland L. Stege, Lincoln


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Sorry Mr Stone wrote on July 1, 2008 7:42 am:
" The sentence that reads "If nonwhite non-Asian Americans actually require preferential treatment to compete successfully, they would have to be inferior" is proof in the pudding that Nebraska may not be ready to get rid of affirmative action. The sentence should actually be written this way:
"If nonwhite non-Asian Americans actually require preferential treatment to compete successfully, they would either have to be inferior or they are subject to continued racial discrimination."
You believe the former. Nebraskans United believe the latter.
With your limited reasoning, your letter is either arrogant to assume you can speak for Nebraskans United or ignorant because you honestly don't see the whole picture.
Let me guess, you're an old white guy? "

I See wrote on July 1, 2008 7:43 am:
" William Stone has bought into the line that Nebraska Civil Rights Initiative backers are spouting. The affirmative action laws are not about filling quotas, it is about making sure everyone has a fair chance without regard to race or sex or any other standard you wish. Repeal of that law will make it legal for someone to discriminate against someone just because of their race or sex or anything else. This will return the state back to the Good Ol' White Boy mentality of the old days where only white men get the job or scholarships and no one else.

I for one do not want to return to those days. "

response wrote on July 1, 2008 8:06 am:
" Mr. Stege, e-mail the fair board and ask them to send you the last report of the state fair. You'll find the fair brings in 11 million dollars to the Lincoln economy. I sure hope we can fill that gap if the fair leaves! "

Outside the Box wrote on July 1, 2008 8:22 am:
" Rev. Bentjen hits the nail on the head. Regardless of the petition, we all need to ask "are YOU are registered Nebraska voter" and "who is sponsoring the petition". If you are okay with the answers and/or the petition topic, then by all means sign away.

Personally, I only choose to support initatives brought forward by Nebraskans for Nebraskans. No offense to Mr. Connerly, but I disagree with him trying to buy the Nebraska Constitution. "

Dave wrote on July 1, 2008 8:35 am:
" Nebraskan's ought to be skeptical about signing or voting for something as misleading as this out-of-state initiative. If there were nothing to hide, they would be honest about what it is, and it is certainly NOT a civil rights initiative.

We should reconsider allowing paid petitioners in Nebraska. If Nebraskans don't care enough to do the petition circulating themselves then it seems like there isn't support for a vote. "

MarkyMark Affirmative wrote on July 1, 2008 9:28 am:
" If there is ever a state still needing affirmative action, it's Nebraska. There are closet racists scattered all over the place, if you hadn't noticed. We still vote with the Confederates, the way, and with that, I rest my case. "

Grundle wrote on July 1, 2008 9:37 am:
" Control+'F' is a wonderful function. It allows you to search any given page for any given word. Upon reading the comment submitted by "I See", I searched for the word 'quota'. I figured that "I See" wouldn't accuse Mr. Stone of calling AA a 'quota' system if he didn't actually say it. But sure enough...the first instance of the word 'quota' was found in the comment left by "I See". This must only mean that Mr. Stone did not refer to quotas in any way.

The proposal reads, "The state shall not discriminate against, or grant preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting."

Apparently some people just find this WAY too confusing. "

million - question mark wrote on July 1, 2008 9:52 am:
" Just the other day someone from the pro-fair group said the fair brings in $27 million to the Lincoln economy. Now a response says $11 million?

I'll be certainly glad to see the fair try its luck in GI. "

Petitioner wrote on July 1, 2008 1:07 pm:
" 80% of the funding for Nebraskans United was provided by four Omaha millionaires, who each ponied up $50 K within a single five day period at the end of May. All four happen to be heavy financial backers of the Obama for President campaign. The vast amount of money -- a quarter million dollars so far -- being spent to try to keep this initiative off the ballot has very little to do with the initiative itself, and everything to do with getting an electoral vote or two for Obama in Nebraska, which will be far harder if ordinary Nebraskans have the opportunity to turn out and vote for NCRI.

So instead of looking at the financial backers of one side only, as the Rev. Bentjen does, why not look at both sides? Why does Warren Buffett want NCRI kept off the ballot? "

Hadrian wrote on July 1, 2008 1:46 pm:
" "The state shall not discriminate against".....How much clearer do you want it? The current practice leaves open all sorts of discrimination. When this language is adopted in November the state will finally be rid of this ridiculous practice and start to treat everyone fairly. This isn't 1958 anymore, if anyone is discriminated against those responsible should be prosecuted. "

Human Nature wrote on July 1, 2008 3:27 pm:
" Unfortuanately we can not legislate personal behavior and personal prejudice. The Nature of the Beast is to be discriminatory towards anything the animal called man sees as a threat. The most rightous female member of Nebraskans United will cross the street to the other sidewalk upon the appoach of a group of mid 20's black men, nature of the beast and the society we live in. Is that a form a predudice, role modeling, or a basic survival issue based on our our predatorial society.
Life in general in not fair nor designed to be or can be legislated to be. Each individual is differant with a differant level of understanding of his or her world around them. Qualifacation for whatever is a competition, and designed as such and equality is earned not designated. Forcing equality not based on true qualifacation makes the potential for mediocrety that much greater in our society. Ask yourself this, if you had a choice between a C student heart surgeon or an A student heart surgeon, sight unseen, who would you pick for your bypass surgery. A pity to you that you did not pick the C student who happens to be black or hispanic, for you are immediately condemned as being prejudice based on the color not the qualifacation, a total society driven equality, as long as it not those condemning in your situation.
We as the animal are are a predatory creature, who will eith prey upon those weaker or become prey based on some form of shortcoming, it is the nature of the beast, and legislated equality will not or ever change the inner mind of man. "

Human Nature too wrote on July 1, 2008 4:11 pm:
" Ask yourself this, if you had a choice between a C student heart surgeon or an A student heart surgeon, sight unseen, who would you pick for your bypass surgery. A pity that often times in the past, and still in the present, the hospital where you were having surgery picked the C student because he was white and the A student happened to be black or hispanic. "

Dave wrote on July 1, 2008 6:19 pm:
" Racism and sexism are alive and well in Nebraska. They exist at every job I've ever had here: snide comments, jokes, exclusion, selection for promotion. I know because I'm a white male and people with racist and sexist attitudes assume everybody agrees with them. Anyone commenting on this board who has not experienced this let me know-- I'd like to know which one company is the exception to the rule.

It would be nice if affirmative action were unnecessary. But racism and sexism are so ingrained in our culture that equally qualified women and minorities will hardly ever be selected over an equally or slightly less qualified white male. "

Ripper wrote on July 1, 2008 9:11 pm:
" Let's see, I am going to die without heart surgery and I have to pick between a White C student or an A Black student. First off, you aren't going to know what they scored in school-so that isn't even a valid comparison. Second, with affirmative action isn't it possible that I would be getting a B Black Student who was given the position over an A white student so we could reach affirmative action ends. I got to tell you, if they have been deemed qualified to perform the surgery, asking any of those questions is probably not on my radar. I want the one that is available now!! "

Scare Tactics wrote on July 1, 2008 9:58 pm:
" I would question why the folks who want to keep the Nebraska Civil Rights Initiative off the ballot don't seem interested in arguing the merits of their position. All their ads focus on potential identity theft from petition signature gatherers. You'd think if they have a valid argument to continue the 40 year old Affirmative Action policy, they'd emphasize that instead of resorting to scare tactics. "

Unfortunately wrote on July 2, 2008 8:45 am:
" It would not be up to you Rip. It would be up to the hospital and in the past and sometimes even today they will hire the C white over the A or B black. It's just human nature, right Human Nature?
And Scare Tactics makes a good point. It's too bad BOTH sides are hung up over the petition process rather than the merits at hand. "

Marketing wrote on July 2, 2008 9:54 pm:
" Hospitals will do massive market studies before hiring. In a high percentage white area with many seniors (unfortuanately conditiond in thier past behavior) yes, a C Student white will be hired over a A student black, nature of market forces. Is it correct, borderline, is it reality, yes. Will the hospital hire the A student black and risk losing patients due to unfortuanately inappropiate behavior of the patient base, NO. In an inner city hospital they will hire anyone who breaths, so equality is not an issue. Inner cities are forced to hire from outside the US, so domestic black and white issues are mute, no-one wants to work in the inner cities, maybe we should address that issue first. Again we can not legislate the human mind. "