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By NATE JENKINS / The Associated Press

Monday, Mar 24, 2008 - 12:19:26 am CDT

After term-limited state senators cast their last votes and become lame ducks, some of them will be jetting off to conferences in New Orleans, Chicago and elsewhere out of state.

Nebraska taxpayers will pay the bills.

While many state senators agree that attending out-of-state conferences held by national associations are useful, citing good ideas for Nebraska legislation, the practice raises a question: Why underwrite trips for senators who won’t be around next session?

Term-limited state senators’ travel itineraries in 2006

Three state senators who won’t be back in the Legislature next year because of term limits have already been approved to take out-of-state trips to conferences that will be paid for by the state.

In 2006, nine term-limited senators took state funded out-of-state trips costing $20,191 to conferences after their last legislative sessions, but before their terms in office officially ended:
  • Pam Redfield of Omaha
    Trips: White Sulphur Springs, W.Va.; Boston; Chicago; Napa Valley, Calif; Phoenix
    Total state cost: $5,171
  • Jim Jensen of Omaha
    Trips: Chicago; Nashville, Tenn.; Washington
    Total state cost: $2,884
  • Elaine Stuhr of Bradshaw
    Trips: Nashville, Tenn. and Chicago
    Total state cost: $2,667
  • Dennis Byars of Beatrice
    Trip: Nashville, Tenn.
    Total state cost: $2,144
  • Jim Cudaback of Riverdale
    Trip: Nashville, Tenn.
    Total state cost: $1,983
  • Ed Schrock of Elm Creek
    Trip: Nashville, Tenn.
    Total state cost: $1,935
  • Pam Brown of Omaha
    Trips: Nashville, Tenn. and Washington
    Total state cost: $1,738
  • Bob Kremer of Aurora
    Trip: Chicago
    Total state cost: $1,190
  • Don Pederson of North Platte
    Trip: San Francisco
    Total state cost: $479

“I wonder how much help that really is,” said Sen. Cap Dierks of Ewing, who stopped short of criticizing his colleagues.

Already, three of the 14 term-limited state senators not coming back next year have been approved for state-funded, out-of-state travel to conferences after the session ends next month.

More such trips are likely, if 2006 is any indication.

That year — the last in office for 20 of the state’s 49 senators — nine term-limited senators took out-of-state trips on the state’s dime, according to an Associated Press review of travel documents.

Total cost: $20,191.

A state senator elected by his peers to oversee travel says he’s handcuffed by a state travel policy that gives him no discretion.

“I can’t say no to them — they’re full members of the Legislature until December,” said Sen. Lowen Kruse of Omaha. Records show that two of the three senators approved for out-of-state travel, Vickie McDonald of St. Paul and Ray Aguilar of Grand Island, have been the Legislature’s most frequent fliers over the past two years. They totaled $30,150 in state-funded, out-of-state travel expenses at conferences in such places as Puerto Rico, Phoenix, Boston and Santa Barbara, Calif.

Under the Legislature’s travel policy, lawmakers, including those that are term-limited, can take as many trips as they wish to conferences held by organizations of which the Legislature is a member. The two largest groups are the National Conference of State Legislatures and the Council of State Governments, which receive a combined $200,000 annually in dues from the state.

McDonald, who sits on several task forces for both organizations and plans to go to their conferences in Washington and the Black Hills of South Dakota after the session ends, said her trips are justified even though she’ll soon leave the Legislature.

One reason, she said, is her plan to invite lawmakers from around the country to a national Council of State Governments conference that will be held in Omaha late this year.

Sen. DiAnna Schimek of Lincoln, the third term-limited senator already approved for an out-of-state trip, gave a similar reason for planning to attend a Council of State Governments conference in Lexington, Ky.

Getting more people to go to the Omaha conference, Schimek said, will have an economic payoff for the state.

McDonald added that the education she will receive on policy issues will benefit the state, even when she’s out of the Legislature.

“There’s a small segment of senators that have become so interested and involved in the political scene they want to continue to serve the state in some capacity, and I’m one of those,” said McDonald.

She also said it was unlikely that she would seek another state elective office after voter-approved term limits push her out of the Capitol. It limits lawmakers to two consecutive, four-year terms.

Chicago and New Orleans can expect visits from Aguilar.

Advertisements for the National Conference of State Legislatures event in New Orleans urge lawmakers to experience a “spectacular closing Mardi Gras party at the Superdome, and on Saturday hear from a provocative speaker, take advantage of some volunteer opportunities at a local food bank or help replant the wetlands, or brave the bayou and venture deep into the Louisiana swamps aboard a flatboat to see alligators and more!”

As vice chairman of a conference committee and an active member of its immigration task force, Aguilar said, it makes sense for him to continue going to conferences even though he will not be back in the Legislature next year. He said that what he learns at the conferences will be useful because he still will have legislative duties after the session ends.

Lawmakers study policy issues and hold hearings when the Legislature is not in session. The work often leads to bills for subsequent sessions.

Sen. Kruse doesn’t want to be a travel cop who could deny frivolous requests, and he doesn’t criticize the travel requests so far by the current slate of term-limited senators. But, he said, he’d like the senators to explain the trips’ value to the state.

That way, he said, “you could shut somebody off like Pam.”

He was referring to former Sen. Pam Redfield of Omaha, one of the senators pushed out after the 2006 session by term limits.

In a seven-month span after Redfield’s last legislative session, she spent $5,171 in state money going to conferences in the Napa Valley of California, in Phoenix, Boston, Chicago and in White Sulphur Springs, W.Va.

“Even though my work on the floor (of the Legislature) was complete, my work on behalf of (the state) was not complete,” Redfield said.

She had leadership positions with the associations, Redfield said, so was obligated to go. She said a trip to a conference held by one of the groups, the National Conference of Insurance Legislators, helped lead to changes that allowed two insurance companies to move to the state.

Lawmakers can use campaign funds for out-of-state travel.

Records show Redfield had between $16,600 and about $20,400 in her campaign account during the year she took the trips.

Redfield thought there was a chance she would run for another office, she said, so used state money for those trips instead.


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Insider wrote on March 24, 2008 2:16 am:
" So I wonder how many tax dollars Sen. Chambers has spent to go to all of these lavish conferences...oh wait I'm guessing its none! Kind of funny how 8 of the 9 senators in 2006 were supposed conservative republicans. Thanks for wasting my tax dollars! "

upinsmoke wrote on March 24, 2008 4:03 am:
" This is just standard procedure for this state. Since the tax payers of this state insisted on term limit's, this is just another way for the "term-limited" senators to "stick-it" to the tax payers of Nebraska. I find it amusing how some of the senators taking these trips at tax payer's expense, try to justify them by saying how the conferances they attend will benefit the state in the long run. Only a very naieve person would believe such nonsense. "

okay so what's new wrote on March 24, 2008 5:33 am:
" Just a few weeks ago the Governor stated that any travel state employees would take would be under scrutiny. He even cancelled a trip. Reason being, no money.
We've got the money for the senators? Doesn't make much sense to me sending people to conferences when there's a shortage of funds, even if it is a "benefit" to the state. Yea right. Sounds to me like they want to get as much from the State as possible before leaving office. Maybe in their own minds this is a way to make up for the small salary we pay our state legislators. "

Eric wrote on March 24, 2008 5:43 am:
" Once the legislative term ends they should not be allowed to attend any event out of state on the states money.

"

Terry wrote on March 24, 2008 6:37 am:
" What's wrong with letting them go to these "conferences?" The things they "learn" could be useful when Mayor Beutler "finds" jobs for them in City Government or some group hires them as lobbyists!
"

Oh well wrote on March 24, 2008 7:34 am:
" If Nebraskans aren't willing to pay them a decent salary I don't blame them for these trips. "

Dave wrote on March 24, 2008 7:42 am:
" The arrogance of a few Nebraska Politician's past and present is unbelievable! "

Grundle wrote on March 24, 2008 8:26 am:
" I don't get it...they need to out of the state to make these invitations? I guess they've never heard of e-mail then, huh? I suppose this is Schimek, Aguilar, and McDonald's way of getting back at the residents of Nebraska for approving term limits. Rather than leave office gracefully, they've decided to fleece the taxpayers just one last time. Thanks for nothing you three...and good riddance. "

JamesR wrote on March 24, 2008 8:29 am:
" Ridiculous. They have no business going on trips paid for by taxpayers when they are ending their terms. The only benefit is for themselves. If they want to go, pay for it with their own money. Insane! "

BYOB wrote on March 24, 2008 8:38 am:
" Oh please, they all sing the same song, it's a total waste and they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar, economic impact to Omaha ?, Ha Ha, what a total joke that is. This is no more or less than free vacation money, look at all the desireable sunny places they go, then tell me, it's for their job, please!
Someone needs to put a stop to this abuse of our funds right now. "

CJ wrote on March 24, 2008 8:44 am:
" I'd go too if you can dig other people pockets. Puerto
Rico???? That shows the concern these legislators have
for the people they serve. Enjoy your trips to Calif
and Puerto Rico while the low income wonder where there
next meal is coming from. Talk about greed!!!! Yep
Nebraska is number #1!!! "

Thanks for term limits wrote on March 24, 2008 9:22 am:
" This shows the level of integrity (or lack thereof) that these people have and justifies term limits to finally get rid of them. And we "don't pay them enough"?!! For what? So they can spend there time on resolutions to apologize for slavery when we weren't even a state? Good riddance to these losers. "

Of course... wrote on March 24, 2008 9:25 am:
" I personally know "senator" McDonald and this doesn't surprise me one bit. She has been able to float by like this as long as I have known her. Why not continue to take advantage of taxpayers??? "

kathleen wrote on March 24, 2008 9:30 am:
" SO - I am a state employee who needs to attend out of state functions to keep my technical skills current and I have been told to cancel any and all trips and not even think of booking another one and they can go anywhere they wish!!! BULLFEATHERS. "

mom wrote on March 24, 2008 9:38 am:
" It's east to point fingers and trivialize what someone else may find important. The fact is that this article may not have told us everything about these conferences and the value they may have to our state. I'm glad that we have some progressive senators who care enough to provide some leadership on the national level. The cost to the state seems small compared to many, many other hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of dollars wasted each year in the private and public sectors of our society. In fairness, let's see an article on Sen. Kruse and his office budget. He may have spend money on something I find unnecessary. "

But.. wrote on March 24, 2008 10:35 am:
" They are still state senators until the moment that they are not. Another words, they still are doing the business of the state until their succesors are sworn in. Calm down people. They are still working. "

You think this won't continue when term limits do set in?! wrote on March 24, 2008 11:34 am:
" Wow, some people here are niave.

Do you honestly think this type of travel behavior will stop once these Senators leave or that the future Senators will not practice this?

As far as I am concerned, let them travel on the tax payers dime. They get so little pay from their job in the Unicameral that they might as well be entitled to a little leisure. "

Neighbor wrote on March 24, 2008 11:39 am:
" And...McDonald just happened to get married while on one of those taxpayer-funded "business trips". Hmmm... "

One Out In The Third wrote on March 24, 2008 11:44 am:
" If only by voting them out...it's time to hold politicians accountable. Casino trips and "working" (wink-wink) vacations to Puerto Rico are leaving a majority of Nebraskans with a taste of bile. If someone has to go to invite other state legislators to Omaha...let it be done by someone still in office...someone that needs to gain the experience. Not someone headed out the door. Better yet...save our tax dollars and send them emails...set up a website and post an agenda...so we all can see how important such meetings are. Who votes for these people? And yes...Our governor needs to step up to the plate on this issue. To be honest...I doubt anything will be done. Business as usual. "

Taxpayer wrote on March 24, 2008 12:04 pm:
" They should be ashamed of themselves. "

mad as hell wrote on March 24, 2008 12:51 pm:
" Nice vacation at out expense. I think I need a job like that. "

ridiculous wrote on March 24, 2008 2:28 pm:
" people need to understand that Legislators do more than what is in the newspapers. they are state senators year around, until the end of their term. i have worked in the Legislature and my Senator went to these conferences only to learn and bring back ideas for session. when the Senator was term limited she distributed the model acts and ideas to other Senators to introduce. this is a good use of tax payers dollars. i want my senator to do something in office, instead of only being present during session. "

GI Reader wrote on March 24, 2008 2:35 pm:
" I've just emailed my senator, Ray Aguilar, about my concerns about the return on Dist. 35's investment in him. He wrote a letter to the readers of the GI Independent today asking that we voice our concerns about the BSDC issues. I challenged him to pick the pen up again and tell the voters what we're getting for funding his many conferences attended. I also reminded him that over 300 people lost their jobs last week in the tri-cities and that responsible spending by our elected officials is a necessity during these troubled times. "

DR2 wrote on March 24, 2008 10:00 pm:
" Some of these Senators are/were fulfilling and finishing out the obligations they accepted during their tenure as Senators serving on National Committees that benefited Nebraskans throughout their terms. Don't be too quick to condemn until you know the rest of the story. "

You don't know wrote on March 25, 2008 8:34 am:
" ...the half of it. The amounts listed for 2006 are nothing compared to what kind of expenses I pay all the time. Yes that is my job, paying expense reimbursement documents to state employees. I'm working on one right now, paying 3 people back for a 4 day trip to DC their total is roughly $5,500.00. Heck the hotel room for one night was $400.00 for each person. This trip was just three weeks ago after the governor said to limit spending. Please most people would be ashamed if they knew how much money is spent on travel. Hope this post doesn’t get me into trouble. "

clk wrote on March 25, 2008 11:26 am:
" This is just another example how politicians act irresponsibly with our tax dollars. True enough the pay for state senators is ... umm ... modest, but it's perk like these (lest we forget football tickets, other networking opportunities, etc) that more than make up for the pay ... "

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