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Letters, 2/14: Keep caucuses' momentum

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Thursday, Feb 14, 2008 - 12:01:35 am CST

Saturday night my husband and I were part of a historic event:  the first-ever Nebraska Democratic presidential caucus.  Our meeting place was Lincoln High School — fitting because we’re proud 1972 graduates. When we had trouble finding a parking place, the adrenaline started pumping. This was going to be big. And it was. The crowds were huge, the rooms hot, and we were all more than a little confused as to how this whole thing was going to work.

At first I noticed how different we were. Baby boomers standing next to high school students rubbing shoulders with senior citizens bumping into clumps of college kids. Men, women, children holding parents’ hands and riding atop dad’s shoulders. We were dressed in T-shirts and suits, jeans and shorts, festooned with buttons and stickers, carrying banners of hope. We were multi-colored, a blending of brilliant cultures and sexual orientations. We were all there, representing America as it truly is today. 

And we were excited. Chanting began down the hall, and its momentum moved from group to group. We were pumped. 

After dividing into our precinct groups, we began to talk about the process, the candidates, learning a little bit about one another, sharing opinions, thoughts and concerns. We soon discovered we were all bound by one powerful theme:  hope and change. What began in confusion soon turned into a well-oiled machine.

My sincere thanks to the Nebraska Democratic Party for putting this incredible event together. You are to be commended for making history and inviting us to be part of it. And I challenge each of us to stay involved.

If you want change, you must be a part of the drive to force change. If you want to be heard, you must turn up the volume. If we keep the momentum of Saturday night going, there’s no stopping us.

Cathy Wilken, Lincoln

What of cruelty to victims?

Regarding “Court: Electric chair cruel” (LJS, Feb. 9), it seems to me that the electric chair is  cruel and unusual punishment for those opposed to the death penalty. What about the cruel and unusual punishment of the victims at the hands of these killers? What would you call that?

My 11-year-old niece was murdered in 1981 in Louisiana. She was raped, mutilated and finished off with a concrete block. Now, would you consider that cruel and unusual punishment for her?

The two killers were caught, went to trial twice and found guilty each time. The main killer was executed in 1987. The other received life without parole. They didn’t horse around like they do in Nebraska.

What about lethal injection, hanging, gas? No, Sen. Ernie Chambers wouldn’t go for those, either.

Our prisons are full. We pay taxes to keep these monsters in prison. They get food, clothing, medical care and everything else.

Ernie Chambers can be a smart man but has no common sense or feelings for the murder victims or survivors.

Virginia M. Woodrum, Lincoln

What if it were your child?

It makes me sick to my stomach that the courts keep siding with convicted murderers, adding to the pain of the victims’ families. It’s good to know the Supreme Court of Nebraska thinks it would be cruel and unusual to use the chair on Raymond Mata Jr., someone who murdered and dismembered a helpless 3-year-old boy. That decision will surely give faith to law-abiding citizens of Nebraska in the courts.

I wonder if those on the Supreme Court would feel the same if it was their own son or daughter victimized by Mata. Or if their own mom or dad was the one tortured to death by Michael Ryan? Or if their own brother and sister were drowned, and strangled, respectively, by Arthur Gales?

Maybe the solution is to pass an amendment defining what cruel and unusual is. That way we can take these decisions out of the hands of the Nebraska Supreme Court. I, for one, can’t think of a method of execution that would be cruel or unusual for these low-lifes.

Terry Messersmith, Lincoln Age of Car reaching an end

Thank you, Francis Moul, for giving us a real “Vision” of what Lincoln can be! (“An environmentally healthy Lincoln,” Local View, Feb. 2).

The Age of The Car is nearing its end — we’re running out of oil, friends! We’ve reached the peak of oil production, and we will have to find alternatives.

We can do it the hard way, without planning or visions, and with lots of waste and war and dead ends, or we can plan a better way. Moul has provided us with a better way — a truly healthy, sustainable, people-friendly vision of what Lincoln can be.

Biking? Yes, it is a viable alternative to driving — over a thousand of us in Lincoln commute by bike already! Even at age 67, I bike to work 80 percent of the time in Lincoln and ride the bus and walk the rest. I rarely drive to work. I’ve done it for years. Yes, I own a car — but I lived here without a car for years, too.

We’ll have to adapt — would you pay $10 a gallon for gas? $20? What if you couldn’t get gas at all? (Too young to remember 1973, when we couldn’t get gas?)

Bob Boyce, Lincoln

Pitts dishonest on racism

In his Feb. 5 column, Leonard Pitts Jr. continues to claim that “conservatives” have somehow ignored or betrayed racial issues. He is flatly wrong — Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president, Charlton Heston marched with Martin Luther King, and more Republicans than Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Pitts ignores or distorts all of this in order to imply racism among conservatives and stir up hatred. His level of dishonesty on this issue would get him fired from most professions.

Dave G. Fitzpatrick, Lincoln


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Scott wrote on February 14, 2008 1:36 am:
" The state is supposed to set itself above the argument of "what about the pain the murderer caused" when meting out punishment. Just because the crime was heinous does not give the state license to abandon the basic tenets of human dignity. You may notice that we don't draw and quarter people any more. Or disembowel them. Or chop off hands for theft. You may also notice that juries are usually comprised of "unbiased" peers, not packed with the victim's families. Justice is not revenge. It never has been. "

Mindless Robot wrote on February 14, 2008 1:57 am:
" Couple of words for Dave:

The Republican and Democratic parties of 1860 were a little different then than they are today.

Charlton Heston. So what.

Civil Rights Act of 1964: Look up Dixiecrat.

These are all A.M. Radio talking points that have very little to do with reality.
"

Hank wrote on February 14, 2008 7:03 am:
" I simply do not understand the reasoning of those who argue for cruel executions of those who commit cruel murders. Yes, murders are cruel. But that does not in any way imply that others, or our government, should be a cruel murderer too. How is additional cruelty going to restore any sense of peace for the victims or anyone else? I am not sure on what side of the line that divides criminals and citizens these vindictive proponents of state-sponsored murder really are. Only the most cruel people would want to escalate one cruel crime into even more cruelty. The rest of us need to just tell these people that enough is enough, one crime does not justify another. We should join the civilized world and ban capital punishment now! "

Comman Sense wrote on February 14, 2008 7:04 am:
" The Democrat "Talking Points" have little to do with reality also. Creating conflict, is that the motive? Is Larry Elder, or Al Sharpton the truth, both Black, both successfull, on on ther right one on the left, totally differant messages. If racial problems were instantly solved tomorrow what would the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's of the left do? It is in thier personal interest to keep the conflict alive. Perpetual poverty ensures a Democratic voting base. Those who rise above the racial sterotypes and succeed are called Uncle Tom's and have "abandoned" thier people. It is not all the White Conservatives fault, it is equally shared with those on the left who must ensure racial social conflict for thier personal interest and gain. And the Democrats of today are a far cry from the Democrats of JFK, or RFK. "

Um, Dave? wrote on February 14, 2008 7:33 am:
" Got an example of a Republican/event in the last 20 years? Didn't think so. The Republican party of Karl Rove has made it part of their "election strategy" to play on people's prejudices. Four years ago they targeted homosexuals, using people's homophobic biases to bring people to the polls. This year they're using fear-mongering with the issue of illegal immigration and preying on peopless' racial prejudices against Hispanics. "

It's not just about the victims wrote on February 14, 2008 7:48 am:
" The problem with most arguments for the death penalty is that the more horribly a murder is committed, the more horribly the state should act in response. We say that murder is wrong. The 5th commandment says that thou shalt not kill. Yet, we argue that when someone murders, it then allows the state to sink to that level also. That is the problem with the death penalty. Would Jesus pull the switch on Sparky? Would he inject the criminal with the lethal drugs? He would more likely take their place.
I have no beliefs that murderers have socially redeeming qualities. I really am not concerned about their welfare. I am concerned when we as a state take on the role of killer. It is not what Christ would want us to to, it is a sign of weakness on our part, and I believe it actually promotes violence in our society as can be seen in some of the blood thirsty posts on this website. Stick the killers in jail, make them work to pay their keep, never let them out, but never sink to that same behavior that we are punishing them for. And quit looking for rational that allows you to be a killer too. "

Yup wrote on February 14, 2008 8:00 am:
" Bob, not everyone can ride bikes everywhere. I am so tired of hearing "just ride a bike". How do parents get their kids to school, day care, etc and then go to work in the morning? How do you shop, clothes groceries etc on a bike with a family? How do the people with health issues, disabled, caregivers ride a bike? How do people who live outside Lincoln get to anywhere riding a bike? STOP with this generalization of "if I ride a bike, everyone should". "

Zoomie wrote on February 14, 2008 8:22 am:
" And Ronald Reagan announced his intention to run for President in 1980 in Philadelphia, MS, a small southern town best known as the site of the KKK murders (with police assistance) of 3 civil rights workers in the late '60s, and he included a call to "states' rights" (code for pro-Jim Crow laws and racist behavior). Lincoln's GOP and even the '60s GOP bear no resemblence to todays GOP. Indeed, in 1964, the racist members of Congress from the South who voted against the Civil Rights Act were all Democrats. They also all left the Democratic party for its support of the Civil Rights act and movement...and eventually all ended up Republicans (Trent Lott, Strom Thurmond, etc.). And now the GOPs support of "Voter ID" laws which make it extremely difficult for minority members to vote, and which will disenfranchise literally hundreds of thousands of legal voters, all to stop supposed voting by those not legally entitled (something the Bush Admin has only been able to locate 150 times in five years, and all those were attributable to error, not deliberate voter fraud). Why pass a law that will prevent thousands of legal voters from voting, in an effort to stop illegal voting that isn't even happening? Pitts is exactly correct! "

Barb wrote on February 14, 2008 8:33 am:
" I can just see a Republican caucus in Nebraska. A bunch of white-hairs and frat boy egomaniacs.

Bob-Nice letter. I agree. I ride my bicycle 90% of the time year-round. It can be done! "

Ryan wrote on February 14, 2008 8:53 am:
" Do we respond to every crime with retribution? If someone broke into my house, do I get to break into theirs, etc.? No. This 'argument' for the death penalty really makes me sick. It is a simple blood-lust vengeance. It does nothing positive to help the greiving and really, truly makes us (the state) just as guilty as the original criminal for the same act. I don't want that blood on my hands and I'm ashamed that others are not only ok with it, but desire it. Your mother almost certainly told you 'two wrongs don't make a right,' and you probably teach it to your children. But yet you fight for your right to kill criminals. What hypocrisy. Capital punishmnet has never been shown to be a deterrent to violent crime so it boils down to a simple, violent desire to see others suffer. It's vengeance, not justice, and I'm saddened that the US is one of so few modern nations (go look up the others and see what great company we are with!) that continues this barbaric practice. "

Christian wrote on February 14, 2008 9:12 am:
" The state supreme court did not side with convicted murderers. That's mental garbage. It behooves the citizens of a free society to compel the state to abide by the highest of standards. The state, moreso than the individuals within it, is the standard bearer for this nation of laws. It should, if it is going to execute its people, do so by leaving no stone unturned (appeal process) and with impeccable dignity (no cruel and unusual punishment). It honors the victims of these crimes for the state to be so thorough and to "horse around" as well as act with this integrity. This rush to kill and doing it without any regard to the citizenry of the state is how they execute people in Pakistan, Iraq and other countries where the citizenry is less than free. And then I wonder how you would feel if it was your son, your parent or your sibling who was the murderer? Would you so cavalierly pull the switch? "

Chris wrote on February 14, 2008 9:57 am:
" Democrats should probably not be too sanctimonious about the race issue. Over the weekend it was interesting to hear Sen. Barrack Obama speak at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner and praise both Presidents. Thomas Jefferson while a slave holder himself was conflicted on the moral issue of slavery, but was still largely a product of his time. Andrew Jackson, on the other hand, had an outright hatred for Native Americans and was probably the most racist President we ever had. Southern Democrats created Jim Crow laws following the Civil War to oppress African Americans. And the Civil Rights movement itself tore a part the Democratic Party in the 1960s. So in many ways from a historical standpoint, the Democratic Party has had a longer history of racism than the Republican Party. And while some may be gullible enough to believe this simply evaporated after 1968, I honestly doubt it. "

Judge Jury & Excecutioner wrote on February 14, 2008 10:26 am:
" To the authors of the 2 letters, it's pretty hard to argue that frying in a chair is not cruel, and it is pretty unusual. The rest of the argument is moot. Despite what our modern day Republicans think, the Constitution of the United States must be adhered to. "

Edgar Pearlstein wrote on February 14, 2008 10:31 am:
" Ms. Woodrum asks for vengeance against murderers, becaue of the horrors committed against their victime. Asking what a convicted murderer deserves is, in a way, asking the wrong question. For it is simply vengeance-oriented. . A better question is: What does society deserve? . Of course we deserve protection from further crimes. In addition, some people say they deserve the satisfaction of vengeance, and that's a sad testimony about our culture. .
What society does NOT deserve is the shame and horror of having its laws used to kill an innocent person. We know that some people have been duly convicted, "beyond reasonable doubt", and sentenced to death, but were, after many years, proven to be innocent. Society deserves to know that mistakes made in its name can be undone.
"

NotSure wrote on February 14, 2008 10:53 am:
" Not sure Jesus would desire the murderer to sit in prison for life either. Good luck with the "make them work" tactic. Perhaps if the wrong-doers would just declare "My Bad" we could forgive them and let them go about on their own way. Or you could offer your home for their place get right with the world. "

Sam wrote on February 14, 2008 11:39 am:
" It's not Leonard Pitts who is being dishonst about racism among conservatives, it's people like Dave Fitzpatrick who wrote the letter and Chris who posted his comments here. I read Pitts' editorial and he wasn't talking about Republicans or Democrats like Dave and Chris seem to want to do...he was talking about conservatives versus the rest of us.

The Republican party was founded in 1854 by anti-slavery northerers opposed to its expansion. Republicans like Lincoln were thought of as radicals because they rejected the prevailing notion that slavery was an acceptable institution. More simply put, for people like Dave and Chris, the Republicans of that era were liberals. To suggest that the Republican party of 1954 is the same party as the Republican party of 1980 and beyond is absurd and intellectually dishonest.

As for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, while it is true that southern Democrats known as "Dixiecrats" voted overwhelmingly against it, most of those individuals left the party in protest to become the Republicans of 1980 and beyond. To simplify it for people like Dave and Chris, conservatives left the Democratic party to become Republicans, where they remain to this day.

Finally, anyone who bothers to look at the politics of Charlton Heston would know that in the 60s he was a liberal Democrat and a staunch supporter of John F. Kennedy. He also favored strong gun control and spoke out in favor of that issue after the assassination of Robert Kennedy in 1968. He did not become the darling of the Second Amendment and icon of the conservative movement that he is until after the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980.

In summary, Pitts was not saying that Republicans have ignored or betrayed racial issues. Rather, he said the conservatives have. Since most of the conservatives these days are to be found in the Republican party, people like Dave and Chris find it easy to be intellectually dishonest by falsely asserting that Pitts was going after Republicans. I realize it's an easy trap to fall into guys, but try to understand that not every Republican is a conservative, nor is every Democrat a liberal. "

Dear Chris wrote on February 14, 2008 12:27 pm:
" I think your point is moot about those presidents and racism, because that was a completely different time. Slavery is illegal now, therefore racism is racism. We know better now. When I read and hear about the 'illegals' and those who can't speak english well, it's pretty apparent that racism is alive and well, and it's not the liberals that these things are coming from. "

Bart wrote on February 14, 2008 1:29 pm:
" To all those who don't understand cruel and unusual punishment, you need to take a civics class. It is part of U.S. Constitution and has to due with due process. That is, before the state can take away a liberty (i.e., your life), certain constitional safeguards are in place. We all benefit from due process. If you don't like the due process protection, you can go to Iran, China or other shining examples of enlightened government. "

stignob wrote on February 14, 2008 2:10 pm:
" Everybody can ride a bike even kids. They make great accessories for bikes. You'd be surprised what you can do. Well for the people that live outside of town, that's a decision they have to live with and the gas prices. "

Captain Logic wrote on February 14, 2008 2:23 pm:
" The Eighth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution doesn't say "no cruel and unusual punishments imflicted...unless they are really bad guys that we hate." Those of you who believe criminals "deserve" cruel punishmeent are anti-American and are in direct oppositon to our very wise Founding Fathers. "

Ramone wrote on February 14, 2008 2:41 pm:
" The electric chair is wrong ... it's not cruel enough. Recipients of the death penalty should be executed in the same manner in which they murdered their victims. "

Jeff wrote on February 14, 2008 3:03 pm:
" Some very nice responses to the question of the method of killing people via the death penalty. For those that want to keep the electric chair, we might as well investigate going back to hanging, the guillotine, or firing squad, all of which, when done right, would expose the prisoner to a less cruel and unusual punishment then good old "sparky". And everyone could come watch the hanging to vent their anger or satisfy their curosity. Is that where these people want to go? I guess so. Actually - the greater punishment might be to spend the rest of their life in death row type surroundings. Cost wise - we know that it doesn't save money to put them to death due to the current process that is necessary to avoid putting innocent people to death. Ah.... this death penalty is a difficult subject. But I think we all know the answer - if the state is going to kill people - we HAVE to know for sure they are guilty AND we have to do it in a dignified way that doesn't cheapen our civilization. "

stignob wrote on February 14, 2008 3:32 pm:
" Since the left wants to rule by majority (which BTW we're a republic type of govt. because of our Constitution and it's also Senator Obama's favorite phrase lately) lets put the death penalty to a vote by the people and let democracy judge the out come of the death penalty, instead of the slam of gavel by a Judge. To the one that thinks the DP is anti American see the following; In Trop v. Dulles, Chief Justice Earl Warren, no friend of the death penalty, said: "Whatever the arguments may be against capital punishment, both on moral grounds and on grounds and in terms of accomplishing the purposes of punishment.... the death penalty has been employed throughout our history, and in a day when it is still widely accepted, it cannot be said to violate the conceptional concept of cruelty". q1ak "

Yup wrote on February 14, 2008 6:07 pm:
" Bob, hope you had fun riding your bike today! "

JT wrote on February 14, 2008 6:14 pm:
" It seems to me that if there is a 1% chance that the person being fried alive is innocent, we shouldn't have the electric chair or any other kind of capital punishment. It's also well documented that the death penalty is far more expensive (appeals, security, etc.) than life w/o parole. "

Fragezeichen wrote on February 14, 2008 10:33 pm:
" Intellectual Honesty. Death Penalty/Abortion both stop a beating heart, both induce pain, one is found guilty of a heinous crime, one found guilty of chosing wrong womb.
People adamently defend One Death Penalty (abortion), yet find the other cruel and inhuman. "

Don wrote on February 15, 2008 12:44 am:
" Since people are bringing in the Bible and what would Christ do to the argument of capital punishment, then lets look again at what the Bible says in Romans 13. Verse 4 (go ahead and look it up) refers to the government and says it is a minister of God. It also says it does not bear the sword for nothing. Whether good governments or bad, people are in power because God allows them to be in power, and He uses them to accomplish his purpose. One of His purposes is to bear the sword. The gov't is an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil. I believe this verse can legitimately be used for the defense of capital punishment. How that punishment is carried out is up to the gov't to decide. But it should be carried out in some way. "

Ryan wrote on February 15, 2008 1:22 pm:
" If we let the majority rule we'd probably never have left slavery behind. Try again. Sometimes government is used to protect the people from themselves. "