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Monday, Feb 11, 2008 - 07:48:58 am CST

Lincoln’s snowplow drivers are to be commended for the long, hard hours they put in during and after snowstorms.

But thin resources sometimes can mean doing your best isn’t good enough.

That’s the case with Lincoln snow removal.

Residents have a right to the government services they want to pay for, and having clear, safe roads is among the most fundamental of those.

Many residents have made it clear they expect better snow removal.

Mayor Chris Beutler said last month he’s open to re-examining Lincoln’s policy.

“If you want to change something, let’s talk about it,” he told Councilman Jon Camp after Camp asked what Lincoln’s policy was on residential streets.

Wayne Teten, city maintenance manager, said Beutler this week asked him to look at things the city could do better.

“We will be reviewing policies,” Teten said.

This is a welcome move.

The city’s policies need to be re-examined in several areas:

n Resources devoted to plowing.

Andrew Edwards, street superintendent for Lincoln, said the city’s average snowplow route is 60 lane miles, which takes about five hours to clear. Edwards would like to see routes of about 40 miles.

“There’s no doubt in my mind. We’re stretched,” Edwards said.

Teten agreed, saying many cities’ snowplow drivers operate only 25 to 30 lane miles.

If Lincoln wants more service, “we need more workers to start,” Teten said.

Lincoln has enough people to use all of its equipment on the first shift, he said, but on the second shift, 15 to 16 pieces of equipment are idle because of a lack of workers who have the Commercial Driver’s Licenses needed to operate the heavy machinery. If enough drivers are available, adding trucks would help reduce the load, Teten said.

The city needs to reduce the routes to allow for drivers to get to all areas in a more timely fashion, before roads have the chance to get snow- and ice-packed.

n Residential street policy.

Lincoln’s policy right now is to plow residential streets only if it snows more than four inches or high winds cause drifting.

Other cities surveyed by the Journal Star — including Omaha, Rochester, Minn., and Chicago — consider plowing residential streets even if only a couple of inches of snow have fallen.

“For the most part, if we have our arterials and secondaries done, we’ll typically go into the residential streets,” said Scott McIntyre, street maintenance engineer for Omaha.

The four-inch amount is on the high side, especially early in winter when the road conditions with which residents are left are likely to stick around for weeks.

n Treating neighborhood streets with ice-melting products.

Right now, the city only treats residential roads by request. Teten said it has been a concern in the past that residents might get upset if salt accidentally gets on their grass, but that treating neighborhood intersections earlier “could save money by saving additional trips” by city workers because streets would melt more quickly.

Camp said he welcomes the re-evaluation of city policies.

“It’s a tough balancing act” of improving road safety versus how much money improving snow removal could cost the city.

Camp said he wonders if the city is using all resources as efficiently as possible. The city’s trails are cleared before many streets; Camp said he has been told that’s because different equipment is used on the trails. However, the same equipment is used to clear the private townhome street where he lives, Camp said, so perhaps that type of equipment could be used on some public streets.

It’s definitely time to talk about these issues and do something before severe weather conditions come Lincoln’s way next year.


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Raise those taxes wrote on February 11, 2008 1:53 am:
" Raise taxes for more snow removal and see how much people complain. We need more cops too. "

Lincoln Taxpayer wrote on February 11, 2008 5:26 am:
" With so many trucks and SUVs in town now, I'd like to make a suggestion. Since the City is short on resources, they should start contracting with homeowners, who have trucks with blades, to clear their own residential streets. Property owners will take better care of their own streets and will take care of the snow immediately, instead of waiting until cars have packed it down. Pay these folks a contracting fee and be done with it. The City won't be paying for equipment or staff, but only paying for services when needed and the property owners can make a few bucks. There should be a way to work out any liability issues. "

InnerCoreMike wrote on February 11, 2008 7:20 am:
" It is an amazing but true fact that no matter how well a job is done, someone will be unhappy. I, for one, am extremely happy with how the snow removal has been done in this city. Please stop comparing us to Omaha because after spending the last two days there, I am happy with what was done in Lincoln. Perfect? No, but maybe some constructive criticism is needed instead of just complaints. "

mitchy_v wrote on February 11, 2008 7:41 am:
" The money has to come from somewhere. Schools, police, taxes. You choose and the city happy to accomodate. "

How about firefighters wrote on February 11, 2008 7:46 am:
" Don't the firefighters have CDL's. In the evening they watch TV, workout etc between calls, and some trucks do not go out all night. Also if one of the crew is sick, it is not common for them to simply ride short, meaning they have 3, instead of 4. If you have a full crew, pull one for a few hours on second shift, and let them drive the plow. If the firfighters have time and resources to go to local gyms such as goodyear fitness center and the racquet club to work out on the clock, then they can help with snow removal. "

mitch_v wrote on February 11, 2008 8:14 am:
" Use the firefighters? Can't wait to hear the outcry when a child dies in a fire and the truck was shorthanded because the fireman is plowing snow on the other side of town so you can save 5 minutes of driving time in the morning. "

mitchy_v wrote on February 11, 2008 8:20 am:
" Instead of complaining, go get your CDL and earn some extra money. BTW, the firemen go to the gym to stay in shape for their job. "

JJ wrote on February 11, 2008 8:31 am:
" We don't have the people for these jobs because the city and state don't pay well. It's hard to raise a family on that little money. "

One size fits all? wrote on February 11, 2008 8:31 am:
" The first measurable snow of the season, we measured nearly four and a half inches at our home. The "official" accumulation for Lincoln was under three inches, so the residential streets were not plowed. Then we had the ice accumluation on top of this. When will the city recognize that one size does not fit all - different areas of the city receive different amounts of snow depending on the movement of the storm. Can't someone take measurements in each of the four quadrants of the city and plow accordingly? "

Whatever wrote on February 11, 2008 8:49 am:
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How bout the city go back to tractors and graders to do snow removal instead of their nice shiny trucks? Which by the way, what do they use them for the rest of the year? Just curious.

You don’t need a commercial drivers license to operate a tractor or grader but you do have to have one for the trucks the city now has. You are only allowed so many hours operation before mandatory crew rest with a CDL according to Dept. of Transportation regs but you can operate a tractor or grader for as long as you want and by essentially anyone who is capable. No special license to qualify and apply for, no time restrictions and some equipment that can be used for other purposes throughout the year (Maybe the city uses these trucks for something during the summer but I’m not aware of it). So instead of having more people on the payroll for ‘seasonal’ work you pay more overtime or maybe put out some bids for construction outfits trained to do things the way the City wants.

I don’t know what the answer is but I bet the City’s solution will involve more property or sales tax and more people on the City payroll. Incidentally, you all should find out how much driving a dump/snow removal truck in this town pays. I’ll wager there are some professional degree holder types who don’t make as much.
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That's just a bad idea! wrote on February 11, 2008 9:04 am:
" Having Firefighters push snow? That's just a bad idea. First of all, I would rather them sit around and watch TV so when they are needed, they will be available. I also would not mind them being in shape either. Throw them in a truck all night drinking soda and eating chips surely won't help. "

Snow.. wrote on February 11, 2008 9:37 am:
" The snow doesn't bother me, I have transportation that can efficiently get me where I need to go, no matter the weather. So, I don't have much to say about the snow removal. However, I will say, its interesting to see a guy try to plow snow with maintainer down a residential area that has cars legally parked on both sides of the street. There looks like room for improvement somewhere in that process, like maybe not using a maintainer in residential areas? Also, 75% of the time I see a city truck they are driving around with the plow up. I realize these guys have to drive from area to area, but looks like a little more snow could get pushed if they'd drive around with their plow down a majority of the time. "

mitchy_v wrote on February 11, 2008 10:00 am:
" FYI, these trucks are used for summer maintence also. Potholes, etc. "

CM wrote on February 11, 2008 10:02 am:
" I was under the impression that the wheel tax collected from Lincoln residents was to be used for snow removal. Is that incorrect? If not, then judging by the size of the tax, it would seem that there should be plenty of tax dollars already available especially considering that a year ago, the story was that Lincoln hadn't used much snow removal funding for many years. Don't use this as just another excuse to collect more money.

Having equipment sit idle is not an efficient use of that equipment. Personnel from other departments are often cross trained to do snow removal in other cities I've lived in. But obviously there is a limit to this (firefighters driving plow trucks????). "

Carl wrote on February 11, 2008 10:32 am:
" My street was just fine. I had to stay home with my kids last Tuesday and by noon the contract removal crews had been through my neighborhood and the streets were clear. And by the next day the streets were dry. I don't think people have a clue what kind of undertaking it is to get the streets cleared in a city, granted cities like Denver do a better job of snow removal but they also have budgets that are many times larger than ours, and they get so much snow that it would cripple the city on an almost weekly basis if they don't clear it. So unless you want the city to raise your taxes again to pay for better snow removal then do what me and my wife do, we leave about 15 minutes earlier on bad weather days, and generally have no problme getting to work. "

mitchy_v wrote on February 11, 2008 10:39 am:
" The reason the trucks drive around with the blade up is because they have just laid sand/salt/chemical down and the would just be removing it and making the condition worse. It may not look like it, but they know what they are doing. "

Stevie Wonder wrote on February 11, 2008 10:57 am:
" I live in the Southwest part of town, and usually don't see the city trucks. Our neighborhood seems to get plowed by John Deere tractors, so I assume the city is paying a contractor. I've been happy with the job they do, and don't really agree with the LJS's opinion.

The people of Lincoln (for the most part) have "made this bed" of city services (or lack of) so it's time you slept in it. Look at your tax statements on your property and see how little the city gets in funds compared to the others. What a steal-of-a-deal! Do you want nice, wide roads? They you need to start paying because I've looked at the city budget and it's about as lean as can be. You should look too before you bellyache too much. "

DR wrote on February 11, 2008 12:58 pm:
" If you've got a truck with a blade, you shouldn't have to be "contracted" out to plow your street, you should just plow it. Give me a break. When I was a little kid in New England, I lived in the city and cleared the corner we lived on with my dad and brother. Being a citizen doesn't mean just paying taxes and sitting there. CONTRIBUTE!! "

How wrote on February 11, 2008 2:30 pm:
" Do you know that some off duty firemen are not out there plowing the streets? BTW, not all firemen have CDL licenses. Only the driver would have it. If a fireman calls in sick, another they will call in another fireman that is off to cover for them.

As for graders, it takes lots of training to operate one of them. A person cannot just jump on one and go. You cannot turn them as sharp as you can a vehicle. Also, it is almost impossible to maneuver graders around some narrow, twisitng residential streets. "

SB wrote on February 11, 2008 4:42 pm:
" Rochester and Chicago get snowed on weekly and it doesn’t melt the next day like it does in Lincoln – it’s there all winter long, and you don’t even want to try and compete with the budgets they are working with. I think we should all pay more taxes and pollute our waterways more because I don’t know how to drive in snow. "

I don't wrote on February 11, 2008 5:32 pm:
" agree with someone who only cleans 40 miles of streets in a work shift. We live where there are over 1700 miles of county roads and state highways. If it snows much over an inch the road depts. are out and about from the start. we have had around an inch of ice today and the county has been over the road with salt and sand and the blade down 4 times. This is a dead end county road about 2 miles long with about 20 homes on it. It is hilly and curvy. The main highway and the 4 lane were cleaned from the start and the traffic is flowing smoothly. If a small community can get it done with the states help , what is wrong with lincoln. They even keep their blades on the ground all the time when sanding. wow. "

whatever wrote on February 11, 2008 6:02 pm:
" Lincoln is grossly underserved for a city it's size. The Police Department is woefully undermanned. Parks and Recreation leave a lot to be desired. And it's pretty obvious that Lincoln's streets haven't been properly maintained in the winter for at least 20 years. Nebraska and Lincoln are a high tax state and it will continue to worsen has jobs leave the state and the remaining "brains to be drained" follow the jobs. "

cu for nebraska wrote on February 11, 2008 7:19 pm:
" boy, i have seen it all. probably the best snow removal in several seasons and now we have to complain. if you feel compelled to get out in the snow almost anytime you want to, buy a four wheel drive. i don't see a need to spend more money to move snow so we can drive a corvette in a blizzard. i agree with carl. "

Let's be fair wrote on February 11, 2008 7:26 pm:
" There is no comparison of 40 miles of city roads and "1700" miles of county roads. They both have differences and to say "what is wrong with lincoln" is a total insult. "

Get it right wrote on February 11, 2008 8:03 pm:
" Actually when a driver on the fire dept calls in sick or is off, we have other reserve drivers on the same shift that we use, so what usually ends up happening is the rig they are on rides short. For example, engine 1 driver calls in sick. The firefighter (4th man) from engine 6 is a relief driver, so he comes to staion 1, and drives enine 1, and enigine 6 just runs the shift with three people. It is actually a good idea, utilizing us, it would give us relief drivers additional practice driving bigger rigs, and make us more efficient as a department. BTW please make sure you know what you are talking about, you just make us look bad when you don't. "

Jeesh! wrote on February 11, 2008 8:36 pm:
" It's Nebraska ladies and gentlemen. We get snow. We get ice. Heaven forbid you have to deal with streets with accumulation for a while. Remember the days when people didn't complain about every little thing, when people were self sufficient and acted like grown-up? I miss those days. "

Joe wrote on February 11, 2008 10:17 pm:
" It is obviously that in this city we need to revise the snow removal plan. But then we would raise taxes, which does not need to be done in these parts. As a life long Lincoln resident all I ever hear from people who move here is about how much higher the taxes are. Perhaps if the city would not pour all of these funds into its vision projects and into new gold-encrusted high schools, then maybe we'd be able to supplement more of our necessities (e.g. snow removal) without having to raise the taxes. "

Sorry Joe, wrote on February 12, 2008 8:09 am:
" the city of Lincoln has nothing to do with the high schools. Nada, zilch, zero. I really wish people could/would understand that if your school taxes are high the county can't do anything about it. If your snow removal is terrible you don't call up LPS. The city of Lincoln's tax rate is minuscule compared to other cities this size, yet we complain the loudest about them! And then we complain about the roads being terrible and how Lincoln is the highest taxed city ever ("six times more than my former city"). It's not accurate!! The school system takes up most of your money; if you have a gripe about high taxes talk to LPS! "

k wrote on February 12, 2008 8:17 am:
" Why is lincoln short on city workers? There is a HIRING FREEZE! Over the past few months several street city workers have retired or quite and because of the hiring freeze they can not replace the ones that they lost! So when they talk about hiring more workers, let's start by hiring workers to fill postions that are vacant. And to everyone that is complaining...get over it. I don't like to drive in the snow either but we do live in the midwest and there will always be snow. Move to Texas if you don't want to drive in the snow. Big credit to the street workers now that work long shifts to help keep our streets clean! "

Joseph wrote on February 12, 2008 1:26 pm:
" Just one suggestion: Let's not pile all the snow right in the stinking middle of downtown streets, making it an Olympic event to try to change lanes so you can make your turn. I've lived in cold-weather cities all my life, and I've never seen another town stick all the snow right in the middle of the street. Push it to the sides, please. "

dish wrote on February 12, 2008 3:47 pm:
" Joeseph, They put the snow in the middle of the street so they can easily pick it up later and take it to a designated area. If they continuously pushed it to the side it would begin to build up and you would only have one lane to drive. "

L300 wrote on February 12, 2008 6:54 pm:
" The snow clearing this winter has been acceptable. Quit complaining.
Residential streets do not need to be scraped to the pavement. It is winter, get over it.
Please stop talking about the trails as if they are doing something wrong. First of all they are cleared by the Parks Dept. who are NOT responsible for streets and secondly they need to be cleared for safe routes to school and for commuters who actually get to work without an SUV.
Find something important to do. "

SCW wrote on February 12, 2008 8:35 pm:
" I have a question...Why were there trucks out today (2/12/08) spreading that solution down on 9th street? There is not any snow in the forecast until Thursday night, and that is only 50% chance. Why are they out dumping that junk on the roads before rush hour traffic?? I remember reading that that stuff was only supposed to work for 24 hours or so? And from what I can tell, it doesn't work at all. The streets have been terrible this year compared to previous years where we've had much more snow.
This is the kind of wasteful utilization of our very limited resources that irritate all of us who pay taxes. What a waste of time, material, and effort. Whatever the city of Lincoln is doing for snow removal is clearly the worst this year out of the 19 years I've lived here. For anyone who believes it isn't, you must live and drive on main arterials, because the rest of us are STILL dealing with sheets of ice 40-60 feet long on parts of our streets as of 2/12/08. Tell me how that is possible if they are doing such a great job? The last snow we received was an entire week ago. I'm looking forward to moving to Minnesota in the near future. Higher wages, lower taxes, more snow, and better maintained roads year round. "

snowysammy wrote on February 13, 2008 4:14 pm:
" To L300

You may right about not having it be scraped to bare pavement

How about all that ice that has been around since Jan 1??
in some or most of the residental areas of Lincoln??

In cities of 250K plus I sure have seen ALOT better and all you who think Lincoln PW has done a great job on "limited personnel and budgets" some communities with 25K in other parts of the country ARE scraping down to pavement.......

Lincoln has more people defending the city and basically telling everyone else to stick it and whatnot.....

Might be a great community if you haven't been out of for a LONG while. Seems that way for plenty of people writing in defending the "great work done."

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James A Young wrote on February 15, 2008 10:57 am:
" Plenty of CDL A and B drivers around. Cement truck drivers and others probably available during and after storms. Run ads, train and have on call. "