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Should patients be informed they're getting HIV test?

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BY NANCY HICKS / Lincoln Journal Star

Sunday, Feb 10, 2008 - 12:26:47 am CST

When Nebraskans go to the doctor for a routine physical, they generally have blood work done — testing for diabetes, thyroid disease, liver and kidney disease, cholesterol.

They sign a form giving permission for these tests, not knowing what specifically tests will be run.

At least part of Nebraska’s health establishment wants to make testing for HIV a part of that routine, eliminating the special permission now required to do it.

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The AIDS stigma has lessened, and there are enormous benefits in treating for the AIDS virus long before serious symptoms appear, said supporters of an HIV testing bill.

The measure (LB954) would eliminate the state’s requirement that patients be told they will be tested for HIV. Supporters include the Nebraska Hospital Association and the Nebraska Medical Association.

But opponents of the measure say AIDS is not viewed the same as, say, high cholesterol, and fear and stigma remain. Patients still need more detailed information and counseling and the chance to refuse or opt out of the HIV test, opponents said in letters and in personal testimony during a hearing last week before the Legislature’s Health and Human Services Committee.

“People are more comfortable discussing this issue, and testing is not taboo any longer,” said Sen. Cap Dierks of Ewing, sponsor of the bill.

AIDS is no long a death sentence, it is evolving into a chronic disease, said Rita White, representing the Nebraska Hospital Association. Testing is no longer just a diagnostic tool, but a screening device, sometimes with enormous benefits, she said.

In a 1995 study, treatment for pregnant women who were HIV positive greatly reduced the number of babies born with the virus.  The transmission rate went from 50 percent to 60 percent to 8 percent, White pointed out.

Those who believe HIV testing should require special consent also used an example involving pregnant women.

Three women who tested positive during pregnancy and refused treatment were turned over to child protective services, said Sharon Renter, executive director of the Nebraska AIDS Project. All three fled the state, she said.

Renter believes more women may run away from medical care if physicians don’t provide appropriate information and referral.

“I’m a strong supporter of normalizing AIDS and reducing the stigma,” Renter said.

But, she said, patients still need to be informed before the testing and have an opt-out provision.

Testing can carry unintended consequences, she said, such as life insurance companies looking to see if a person has ever been tested.

In fact, the bill goes beyond what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is recommending, according to several people who wrote letters to the committee.

Current state law requires people consent to the test. The bill would remove any notification that the test would be given.

CDC recommends HIV testing become a routine part of the care of pregnant women and patients at risk. But it also recommends that patients be notified an HIV test may be performed, with an opportunity to opt out, wrote Dr. Joann Schaefer, Nebraska’s chief medical officer.

“The original intent of Nebraska statute was to protect the confidentiality and rights of individuals seeking medical care and treatment,” she wrote. “The CDC recommendations do not seek to remove these protections but rather to make it easier for service providers to make HIV testing available.”

Reach Nancy Hicks at 743-7250 or nhicks@journalstar.com.


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Old Repub wrote on February 10, 2008 5:22 am:
" I thought republicans were for letting the patient decide what medical treatment they were to receive? Here they want to empower the state to tell the patient what they need. If this passes, medical costs will increase and lead to universal health care.

I do not want the state telling me what I must do in regards to my health. This bill must not pass. "

db wrote on February 10, 2008 8:22 am:
" I had a doctor try to persuade me not to get tested. The example/reason was that I may not get life insurance and that an employer may not hire me. It didn't stop me. "

sutton_curmudgeon wrote on February 10, 2008 9:29 am:
" Has Cap Dierks ever heard of the idea of informed consent? "

ewebetcha wrote on February 10, 2008 11:22 am:
" the patient should absolutely be informed of ALL tests being run. It is THE PATIENT'S BLOOD!! The medical establishment is far too loose with how it manages private information as it is and needs to clean up its act while in the process of trying to sell you way, way more drugs than you actually need. Check out their business plan. It has moved from health care to a model of drug sales. It is sickening. "

BYOB wrote on February 10, 2008 12:07 pm:
" Duh! This is a no brainer, who wouldn't want to know if they had H.I.V ?
One out of every 200 americans have it and we have to pass a law?
Get that stupid law off the books, the people going to the blood bank could have it, that's how most of it has been spread anyway. What Senator put this into law? OMG. "

KIP wrote on February 10, 2008 12:50 pm:
" Informed consent is a part of our rights, isn’t it? While Bushies and neoConservatives would seek to invade and exploit individuals and nations, it is the duty of citizens to fight for freedom from tyranny associated with “Big Brother” devices. What test will follow? Will the state begin to profile high risk individuals who might develop cancer, Alzheimer’s, alcohol or drug exposure or other physical, mental or emotional maladies. We need to free our legislature of senators who would infringe on rights and who would take away medical help for those who are faced with perils in health. "

Yup wrote on February 10, 2008 3:11 pm:
" From what I've read, the test can result in false positive results. And if insurance companies look at every test performed and can base denial of coverage of that, then, of course, patients should be notified of the test and given the chance to refuse. I know insurance companies hold it against you if you have ever used drugs to treat depression, so I can imagine if you had a false positive result, you would never be able to get insurance coverage. "

KH wrote on February 10, 2008 4:31 pm:
" I never have blood tests done for any reason so this won't really apply to me, but it surprises me that you have to consent to this. The last time the doctor tried to take blood from me, they didn't have any form for me to sign. I walked out and never went back. But I have a friend who several (maybe 12) years ago had a physical and they did a bunch of blood tests. The PA or whoever, was going over it afterwards and she said things like "Cholesterol, normal, diabetes, normal, HIV, no, thyroid, normal." My friend was surprised as she did not know she was being tested for HIV. This also happened to my brother who had some tests done prior to a surgery. He was surprised they tested for HIV. I guess if you're into having these tests done, it would be OK. But they should tell you what they are stealing your blood for.
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Just Like Hep B wrote on February 10, 2008 5:59 pm:
" Just treat it like any other communicable disease (Hep B, etc). "

whatever wrote on February 10, 2008 7:54 pm:
" Uh, yeah. Sen. Dierks this idea is right out of Nazi Germany or the USSR. People have a right to consent or decline any sort of medical test. Exactly what sort of America do you want to all live in, an America where the state has absolute control over every aspect of our life including our own body? Have you bothered to read the Constitution? Or are you just another tool of the drug companies? "

Laurie wrote on February 11, 2008 5:14 am:
" "If I get tested for HIV I might find out I have it and not be able to get insurance". What's wrong with this picture? It surely is not the TEST. Maybe it's INSURANCE that is the problem. BTW, KH, if you contract with a physician's office or hospital for work performed, you need to expect to give up some body fluids for testing. Laboratory tests have come a long way. We don't use pebbles and hen's blood any more. "

Nina wrote on February 11, 2008 8:57 am:
" Of course. Patients should be informed when they're about to get any test. First of all, there's the concern whether or not insurance will cover it. Secondly, it's the doctor's duty to explain what is transpiring, and to encourage a patient to go ahead with it, if he/she thinks it's wise. Thirdly, if the first two reasons given here turn out OK, and if then someone refuses, it seems akin to me to a drunk refusing to take the blood alcohol test - an admission of likely guilt. That raises concerns about others besides the patient. But the burden still should be on the patient to consent. Remember history, when mentally ill people were once used as guinea pigs, and more recently, how soldiers were exposed to Agent Orange in Vietnam, nerve gas in Iraq, etc. and we saw initial coverups. This is why patients should be fully informed of not only what they can control, but of what may be issues imposed upon them in the past, of which they were unaware at the time. "

JR wrote on February 11, 2008 9:24 am:
" I'm amused how the an HIV test is being lumped in the Cholesterol, Diabetes and Thyroid tests.

How many people do you know who've actually been tested for HIV? I know of only a couple.

How many people do you know that contracted high cholesterol from picking up someone in a bar?

I don't think that the insurance companies have a right to base their risk on someone's medical records.. I think they assume the risk when they become an insurance company. The premiums for $1 million coverage should be the same whether or not a person has dangerous and highly communicable diseases such as AIDS or high cholesterol.

But I do think that everyone should know if they have AIDS/HIV. I realize that it's also very survivable, but the quality of life can't be that great. There should be repercussions for those spreading the disease knowingly. "

Grundle wrote on February 11, 2008 10:42 am:
" Let me get this straight...people are opposed to this legislation because a positive test might raise their insurance rates, or cause their insurance company to drop them? Wow. Forget the fact that you might unknowingly have HIV/AIDS and unwittingly spread it to someone else, thereby ruining their life...just so long as you can keep your insurance. "

nemo wrote on February 11, 2008 11:39 am:
" Uh...yeah!! How many times have we been told to take control of our health, talk to our doctors? You should always know just what your are signing and in some cases paying for. "

Get a Clue wrote on February 11, 2008 11:47 am:
" I'm sure more people than you think are tested for HIV & other diseases. If you donate blood, your blood is tested every time you donate for HIV, Hepatits and several others. I would like to think in this day & age a person would want to know to be pro-active in staying healthy and not spreading the virus. "

c wrote on February 11, 2008 12:23 pm:
" All blood products from community blood banks receive stringent testing after being received and before being prepared for a transfusion. If a donation tests positive for HIV, hepatitis, etc, the donor is contacted by the blood bank and the donation is discarded. Your health and lift insurance will be concerned about your participation in "high risk" activities if they find out about testing. The best way to get HIV testing is through your local health department. The test is low cost and used to be on a sliding scale. You will be asked questions to determine your need for testing and the results will be shared with you privately. Yes everyone needs to know if they have the virus and those who are treated will live longer but if you know that you have no risk factors, testing everyone is throwing away money that can be used for prevention! "

Who Cares wrote on February 11, 2008 12:34 pm:
" Who cares if the insurance company finds out if you have HIV from your records . I'm sure that if you test positive you will start taking medication and that would let the insurance company know that you have HIV faster than the record search. "

Read again wrote on February 11, 2008 1:11 pm:
" Grundle, the article says testing can carry unintended consequences such as life insurance companies looking to see if a person has ever been tested. It doesn't save anything about the test results, only that they were tested. If insurance companies aren't going to insure you because you've been TESTED (negative or positive), then you need to be informed. There is always the false results also. "

Uh JR wrote on February 11, 2008 3:01 pm:
" Why wouldn't insurance companies use medical records? Not everyone should be given the same rate as not everyone is in the same risk category. Just like auto insurance. If you have a bad driving record, you're going to have a higher rate. With life insurance, if you smoke or have poor health, you'll have a higher rate. "