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Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 - 12:15:35 am CST

According to a recent article about growing a rat heart (LJS, Jan. 14), Tim Henry (cardiologist and researcher with the Minneapolis Heart Institute) is quoted as saying, “The problem with science is that you need to take big steps. Some things we think are not possible, and someone has to think outside the box and prove that they are.”

Try substituting any number of words for “science” in this statement — politics, the war in Iraq, poverty, the State Fair/University of Nebraska-Lincoln debate. Someone could make a case for any of these. “The problem with the stalemate between the Nebraska State Fair and the University of Nebraska is that you need to take big steps. Some things we think are not possible, and someone has to think outside the box and prove that they are.”

The most sensible solution presented in the media to this problem was voiced by Henry Brandt, former State Fair manager, on the opinion page. His solution promoted collaboration.

To add another opinion, the State Fair will not be the State Fair anyplace else. The research park could be built anywhere in Lincoln, but UNL wants it at State Fair Park. The easy solution is to move the State Fair to another location.  A smart and unique solution would be for some of the excellent academic minds at UNL and some skilled State Fair proponents to collaborate and prove that a common site could work.

The end solution would not be a weakened State Fair in a different location or a state institution insisting on its own way. The end solution would be an architectural, landscaping, community planning, agricultural coup that the city of Lincoln and the state of Nebraska could promote as, not only possible, but remarkable.

Don’t just discard the State Fair. Think outside the box to save its location and to make the research park/State Fair an innovative answer.

Sandy Amos, Tecumseh

No sympathy for the killers

The Journal Star series on the 1957 Starkweather rampage was well done and interesting. But up until the concluding piece last Monday, you had to wonder, what’s the point?

It’s not going to make Starkweather feel bad. Or his supporters, if he had any. The families of the victims might get a little fresh sympathy, which may not even offset having to relive their misery. The page of personal memories was intriguing and maybe awakened our it-can-happen-here gene. The tragedy of those young and old lives cut short is no more significant than the daily loss of our young in the Middle East. And it’s half a century less poignant.  

The Jan. 21 pages made the whole story worthwhile in my mind, with the coverage of the terrible, lasting damage to Starkweather’s own loved ones. Somehow, these killers think their gruesome deeds will bring fame to themselves, make their enemies grieve and their loved ones rejoice. It isn’t so. 

If we can’t get some concept of the value of innocent life through the juvenile or demented mind of the prospective killer, maybe we can make it clear that they’ll never get the “fame” they seek. They’ll never attract rational admirers, and their own loved ones and admirers will not live happily ever after in the glow of the publicity.

Compassion? Tons of it for the families of the victims, for the indirect victims in the community, for the families of the perpetrators in most cases and for the tormented prospective copycat who might be helped. But not a shred of public compassion for the cold-blooded murderer.

Tom deShazo, Lincoln

State senators know the pay

Sen. Amanda McGill as a state senator makes $12,000 a year, working 90 days one year and 60 days the next.

One year she makes $133.33 a day. The next she makes $200 a day. Plus $39 per day for expenses. Salary and expenses total $15,510 one year and $14,340 the next, with 275 days or 305 days off the rest of the year.

I worked 42 years for my retirement.

You knew what the pay was when you ran for the job.

Bob Hitz, Lincoln

Who’s done more damage?

A multiple-choice question:

Who among the following have more adversely affected the welfare of the people in our country and the world?

(a) Twelve million people, most of whom are from across our southern border. They are providing the very critical labor-intensive and mostly minimum-wage work force for our farming, meatpacking, roofing and hotel and household cleaning industries.

(b) The Cheney-Bush team, the imperial rulers of our country for the past seven years. They used lies, deception and scare tactics to get many of us to support their Iraq war misadventure.

Their ongoing war already has taken the lives of nearly 4,000 of our soldiers and hundreds of thousand of Iraqi civilians. Add to this the sufferings of thousands of our physically and mentally wounded soldiers and millions of Iraqis made refugees by their war. The $10-billion-dollar-a-month cost of this war (which is about three times the annual budget of the state of Nebraska) plus big tax cuts for the super rich have resulted in sky-high budget deficits and current economic meltdown facing our country.

On his recent democracy-spreading trip to the Middle East, President Bush seemed to be having a great time with the king of Saudi Arabia. I wonder if the Saudi king offered Bush his expertise on how to restrict human rights and civil liberties in the United States.

We must remember that the Cheney-Bush team gave us the Iraq disaster as their response to the Sept. 11, 2001, tragedy perpetrated by the terrorists primarily from Saudi Arabia and none from Iraq.

Sitaram Jaswal, Lincoln


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3j14g wrote on January 29, 2008 7:00 am:
" The "super rich" you speak of are the ones paying a majority of the income taxes in this country. Those tax cuts have created revenue and economic growth. "

Edgar Pearlstein wrote on January 29, 2008 7:02 am:
" The legacy of the Bush-Cheney administration will be the distrust and disrespect of the rest of the world for us. It might even be the decline of the U.S dollar to where international trade will be in Euros, rather than dollars. "

A few Things wrote on January 29, 2008 7:40 am:
" 1. To Sandy - both sides have already said the state fair and research park could not fit into the same location. So that will not work. And to me thinking outside the box is moving the state fair elsewhere and put a cutting edge research park close to UNL. The key is close. It HAS to be CONNECTED to UNL in terms of location.

2. To Bob - do you really think senators only "work" 60 days one year and 90 days the other year? It is a 24-7-365 job. I agree with you that they knew the pay going in. But really, on $12,000 a year? Thate seems absurd to me! I respect Amanda McGill for taking the job. I am around her age and have thought about running for an office someday. It is just not a reality right now because I could not afford to live on that salary and I am sure my employer will not let me off for 90 or 60 days at a time! "

Cat wrote on January 29, 2008 10:01 am:
" On Senators: While it is true that most have a 'primary' job, it is also true that they don't get to ignore their constituents the other days of the year. If you contact your senator on, oh, October 4, you will still reach someone.

On Bush-Cheney: Enough is enough. If you don't like it, prepare your vote. There is nobody who believes that "the imperial rulers" will NOT step down next January when the new president takes office.
We've had bad presidents. We have had worse presidents. I'm sure that there will be still worse in the future. I got tired of Clinton Bashing. I'm tired of Bush bashing. I'm sure people were tired of Carter bashing in it's day.
"

Take heed wrote on January 29, 2008 10:47 am:
" Did you not listen to the FBI guy that guarded Saddam
who didn't know he was an FBI agent and all the things
he told him . Saddam said he did have weapons of mass
destruction at one time and if he had not been captured
or killed he was going to bring back the weapons of mass
destruction. So Bush should have waited until Saddam
got us first???? At that time he did not like Ben-Laden
but in the long run birds of a feather seem to flock
together you know!! We do not know all that Bush knows!! "

MarkyMark wrote on January 29, 2008 11:03 am:
" It is impossible to even exaggerate the damage to the world caused by the Bush-Cheney team. Amazingly, these two have used the Constitution to wipe with and gotten away with it. "

Comman Sense wrote on January 29, 2008 11:21 am:
" My question is, "Who will be the target of all the political hatred and blame once Bush is out of office? Many here refuse to see the forest for the trees and are all to willing to forget any pre Bush history. Many nations, individuals, organizations, groups, whoever hated America and what we stand for long before Bush came to office. The world wondered why America did nothing for 444 days, abandoned Somalia after a legacy building attempt failed, and 19 Rangers died, due to a President disregarding the military advise of the General on the ground, watched as we began to send more and more of our economy overseas based on more and more tax policies that penalized bussiness. Many in the world, and even many here, could not understand why we impeached President Clinton, nor understand how the Chinese money influenced and supported his re-election. A lot of American military technology also changed hands to China, during this era, as well as the NK nuclear issue. WTC was the target of 2 attacks, one we treated as a crime and the individuals concerned laughed that off and planned attack 2 hoping again for a no response American approach. Big surprise, and people here need to read Sun Tzu to understand exactly why we are Iraq.
In 2009, the blame game will be interesting, when the media tells us again based on misinformation who we must hate to "unify" America and the world, my guess is a Republican, and then to watch the sheep blindly follow the medias lead. "

Bush and Cheney wrote on January 29, 2008 11:29 am:
" know to well that the war was based on oil. Check the statement from allen greenspan if you doubt. They need to go down in history as the worse presidency in the history of america. The lies, spying, evesdropping, disregard for the constitution, and godliness attitute of them is disgusting. Both were basically draft evaders from vietnam and now want to be hawks. The name chickenhawk seems fitting. "

Tod wrote on January 29, 2008 11:50 am:
" The legacy of the Bush administration will be repudiation of those that feel you can say anything, true or not, in order to further your own agenda and reach for power. How many Democrats had the exact same information and came to the exact same conclusion as Bush? All but one according to what was reported prior to the Iraq invasion. Why must it be Bush's fault? Only Bush-haters can force themselves to believe that lie. "

JW wrote on January 29, 2008 1:53 pm:
" I know alot of senators who people had to go out in the
fields and stop the tractors to talk to them. I know
some who were insurance agents and run their businesses
and watched them flirt with company office employees.
I've known lawyers, car dealers, etc. that missed very
little of their personal business. Yeah, I worked full
time for 45 years and didn't have all the government
holidays and very very little vacation, 2 weeks a year
at the most being able to take only 1 week or 2 or 3 days
at a time most of those years. And alot of those years
I was taking home $150.00 a month before ssc. & taxes.
And for all those years, I get less than McGill's
salary in retirement and NO body pays my expenses!!!
You don't get full time pay for part time work!!!!! "

of course wrote on January 29, 2008 2:31 pm:
" Bush will go down as one of the worse presidents in our history but not the worse. I think that Andrew Jackson was by far the worst. He was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Native Americans. He destroyed and eliminated almost 100 tribes and pushed the survivors west where once again they were hunted down like dogs and destroyed until only a few thousand remained caged up on reservatios to starve to death.It is amazing that any of them lived. The State Fair should be moved to central Nebraska so that it is truly a State Fair and not a Lincoln Fair. The University of Nebraska should pay all moving and building expenses for the move from their general funds and football funds and not the state or it's taxpayers through special funding or bond programs. If the Tech Park is so important to UNL, they should pony up the bucks. The Fair should not go into debt because of the wants of UNL. "

ExVet wrote on January 29, 2008 3:17 pm:
" To Common Sense: If you read history you'd see that Clinton wanted to keep the military in Somalia and fight the insurgency there. It was the republican controlled congress that forced him out of there the day after the Blackhawk incident. Clinton kept them there as long as he could until the funds were cut off.

Tod: How do you know congress saw the same info that the president did? Just because Bush said so doesn't make it true. This president has lied repeatedly about Iraq. "

Glory of Internet wrote on January 29, 2008 7:00 pm:
" Ex-Vet, Please confirm your statement on the republican congress cutting funds for Somalia, checked congressional record as well as a few news stories of the era, and that is not what happened. Now the left-leaning blogs are filled with misinformation on the subject but the congressional record of the vote states differantly.
"

Realist wrote on January 29, 2008 8:23 pm:
" The problem with Henry Brandts suggestion is that it's too realistic (please note sarcasm). It's the most sensible thing to do to have an updated areana. I'm totally for moving the fair but building a new arena is ridiculous. Move the fair wherever you want but keep the BOB and use it more. "

forget the politicians wrote on January 29, 2008 9:05 pm:
" forget all the talking heads and politicians, I'm for Marshal Law. Then at least you can be certain of what you're getting and can act accordingly. With the current political system, we are forever lied to and the process is so muddled up, by the time anything gets decided, the problem the decision was supposed to address has morphed into something else and the "decision has no consequence. "

JR wrote on January 29, 2008 9:39 pm:
" I feel so sorry for Mr Hitz's family. Someone needs to give this person a civic lesson. Either he is lacking in a basic knowledge of our state government, or he is perpetuating a lie by stating state Senators only work 90 days or 60 days. The 90 or 60 days refers to the length of th legislative SESSION. Ask anyone involved and they will tell you they work way more than that. "

12,000 reasons wrote on January 30, 2008 12:27 am:
" To quote Bob Hitz on the issue of Senators salaries: "You knew what the pay was when you ran for the job." Well Bob, it's you who obviously didn't know what the job was when you ranted about the pay.

Bob are you familiar with interim studies, special sessions and committee hearings that take place outside of your 60 and 90 day parameters? Are you aware Bob that the vast majority of bill drafting takes place during the summer and fall, and that bills don't just magically appear during the limited 10 day window of bill introduction?

And of course there are the needs of the constituents. Their calls and concerns come in year-round. A senator also makes dozens and dozens of presentations year-round...informing groups about legislative issues and gathering input to make wise decisions during the next session.

$12,000 a year for a state senator is an embarassment. Unless action is taken to, at the very least, double legislative salaries, these positions will only be available to those with the most wealth and not those with the most merit. "

Anyone with half a wit wrote on February 1, 2008 4:57 pm:
" The last place someone with ethics and taste would want to be is Washington. It's going to take herculean will to un-trench the entrenched special interests and turn Congressional lead into 21st century gold. And it's going to take personnel. Thousands of new ideas have to come from somewhere. It's time for a Constitutional Convention. And the major political parties shouldn't be invited. The system is BROKE. "