Now
Fair
60°
High
76°
Low
52°

Letters, 11/14: Inappropriate story choice

Text Size: 
Tools Sponsor

Wednesday, Nov 14, 2007 - 12:13:28 am CST

In the 30-plus years we have had a subscription to the Journal Star, we have never been more repulsed than we were when we opened the Sunday, Nov. 11, paper. Instead of seeing an appropriate picture of a veteran, it being Veterans Day, we saw close to 200 pictures of convicted murderers.

The disservice to all past and present veterans was appalling. Whether you agree with the Iraq war or not, this “front-page news” was a slap in the face to all who have so valiantly fought for our freedoms.

The Journal Star could easily have devoted five columns to veterans and one column to convicted murderers.

This is not to say that the “Life or Death” article is not newsworthy, but on a national holiday such as Veterans Day, it is totally inappropriate to give more coverage to that than to our veterans.

Becky Detore, Lincoln

Merging great ideas

Two great ideas on one opinion page (LJS, Nov. 4): (1) Put the expected surplus state revenue of $117 million to work on a worthwhile project (Journal Star editorial). (2) The University of Nebraska-Lincoln and the State Fair should collaborate, not compete (Local View, Henry Brandt).

Continue the example already established by locating the Bob Devaney Sports Center on State Fair land. Place the proposed university research park on a portion of the 251-acre State Fair Park.

Some new buildings and parking could be used jointly by the university and the fair. Some existing buildings could be saved. Energy would be saved. Farm land would be saved. If we are truly dedicated to reducing global warming, this would be a significant beginning.

Let’s use our vaunted intelligence and ingenuity to design and build a joint facility that is functional and attractive, dedicated to education, research and recreation.

If we don’t have a better use for that $117 million, we could use it to get started on this project without delay. And regardless of that decision, the potential savings by building a joint facility could be considerable.

Walter Bagley, Lincoln

LPS sets bad example

It was so good of the Lincoln Public Schools to be “up front” about possible school closings before passage of the $250 million bond issue.

Once again LPS has demonstrated their honesty, integrity and character (or lack thereof). What, exactly, are they supposed to be teaching our children?

Laurence R. Buller, Lincoln

Dog dies for driver’s sin

To the driver speeding in excess of 45-50 miles an hour going north in front of Cabela’s on Saturday evening, Nov. 10:

That huge jolt you felt under your car was our beloved family dog who had been out on a walk with my husband. He had for the first time just somehow managed to wriggle out of his collar and run out into the street.

You were going so fast, I’m sure you never even noticed that he was there, but I don’t know how you could not have noticed the jolt; and how you could not have even slowed down, much less stopped. He’s not a small dog. I’m sure he did some damage to your car. Lots and lots of damage was done to him.

We had to end his life on Saturday. The vets said they could not promise even with quite expensive surgery performed in Omaha or Kansas that they could do anything that would assure him of a normal life. He wasn’t even two years old.

Speed limits are for a reason. I am glad our little Cadet was not a child, but a family member has still been lost. It does not pay to drive in excess of those limits, and whether you suffer any ill effects from breaking those laws, ill effects can and are still suffered.

Please pay heed … and pay attention to those jolts. Perhaps someone else’s family can be spared the loss we had.

Diana Gordon, Lincoln


$1 Sunday Delivery - Subscribe Today!
Letters > Back to Top of Story

All posts to JournalStar.com are subject to our Terms and Standards.
Your posted comment will appear after it has been approved.
Frequently asked questions about story commenting.
(optional)
   
Dog Question wrote on November 14, 2007 12:39 am:
" Cabela's? The only Cabela's retail stores in Nebraska are in LaVista, Kearney, and Sidney. Where you walking your dog that you would be anywhere near a Cabela's? The closest one, in LaVista, is off a highway that is set for about 60. Even the parking area would hardly be dog walking zone. Sorry the dog died, but I'm really confused as to where this happened. And you may not like this, but I doubt it's the first time the dog slipped the leash, and I certainly wonder why it was so quick to run to the street, as opposed to, oh, trees. "

stignob wrote on November 14, 2007 6:28 am:
" I have a better idea for the state surplus, how about save that money for a when the state economy isn't doing so great or better yet return the money from where it came from. "

hmmm wrote on November 14, 2007 7:51 am:
" Ms. Gordon, I'm sorry about your dog. I know losing a pet is hard. However, I couldn't help but realize that Cabelas is not in what is even remotely a residential neighborhood. In fact, it is right next to I-80 where I drive in excess of 65 mph every day. If I had hit your large unleashed and roaming dog going 65 mph, my outrage would be much greater than yours, I guarantee it. I'm certain you would have been quite contrite. People do stupid things and accidents happen, and outrage is relative, I guess. "

I'm Guessing wrote on November 14, 2007 8:09 am:
" She's talking about the "Cabela's Technology Center" in the Highlands. "

David wrote on November 14, 2007 8:10 am:
" Even if the person had been going the speed limit (25 mph if residential) and didn't slow down, your dog would probably still be dead. "

heart wrote on November 14, 2007 8:14 am:
" have a heart! sorry to hear about your dog...i assume that you refer to the cabela's call center, which is near a neighborhood (highlands). don't pay heed to these heartless posters. on the other hand, do leash tighter next time (which I'm sure you will). "

Cabelas in Lincoln wrote on November 14, 2007 8:19 am:
" For those who think that Cabelas only have retail stores, I would like to let you know that Cabelas has a call center, right here in Lincoln, on Northwest 1st Street. Hmmm...seems to me that is right out there by the Highlands area where the possibility of walking a dog is very likely. I am so sorry for your loss, Diana! Please accept my condolences. Anyone who hits an animal really needs to at least stop and offer assistance. What a jerk that driver was! "

Realist wrote on November 14, 2007 8:23 am:
" "Driver's sin"?! The first, and most important, sin of dog ownership is not having your dog on it's leash. The second sin is not picking up it's poop. Watch your dog better if you ever get another one. "

Anonymous wrote on November 14, 2007 8:34 am:
" If anyone knew North Lincoln, there is a Cabela's Call Center located in the Highlands, with beautiful walking sidewalks. That area is a neighborhood and people generally drive WAY to fast on that street. Next time it might be a child. PLEASE slow down. To Mrs. Gordon, I am sorry to hear about your loss of your beloved pet. "

920 wrote on November 14, 2007 8:41 am:
" There is a Cabela's call center located in the Highlands, very much a residential neighborhood. There are sidewalks and trails to walk along, and unfortunately a street where it is very easy to speed. Sounds like an unfortuante accident to me. "

Inconsiderate, Bitter, and Unknowledgeable wrote on November 14, 2007 8:56 am:
" Well to the first and third commentors, the Cabela's call center is up on the edge of the Highlands and, yes, is across the street from a residential neighborhood. The posted speed limit on this road is 45 mph, so hmmm is self admitting to going 20mph over that speed limit. You may have missed the point, I think. What if that was a 3 year old instead of a dog, I don't care how the kid got out there, crazy accidents happen. As for the dog, human beings with souls stop to see what happened, no matter whose fault it was. I feel for the loss of a dog, accidents do happen, this should also be a warning to dog owners, as well as drivers, to take the extra time to train your dog well, leash training is one of the most underutilized training techniques. More dogs (and people) will be runover in the future, no amount of lecturing, training, or slowing down will ever prevent that. But maybe some of the preventable situations will be prevented. "

Highlands wrote on November 14, 2007 9:11 am:
" The Cabela's in Lincoln is near the Highlands. It is not a store but part of the catalog division. The 4 lane road there has many speeders and there are bike trails next to this area. I can't believe a car did not stop after it hit something, especially an animal! It appears some of you are not familiar with this part of Lincoln or this company that has been there for several years. "

jump to conclusion wrote on November 14, 2007 9:15 am:
" Perhaps it is the Cabelas Visa Center on NW 1st Street. Not sure, but I’m pretty sure the speed limit is 45 on this road. Let the complaining begin about how North Lincoln is so depleted of resources and nobody cares about them. "

Mike wrote on November 14, 2007 9:16 am:
" Cabelas is in the Highlands right next to a bike path. I would say that is very much a residential area. "

Josh wrote on November 14, 2007 9:18 am:
" Argh. Listen, it took me less than 2 seconds on Google to find that there are Cabelas offices in Lincoln. Try it yourself! Just put "Cabelas Lincoln NE" in the search bar, it's amazing! It took me less time than it took you to write out how your only worldly experience is with their retail stores in LaVista, Kearney, and Syndey. Think before you write people! hmmmm.... indeed. "

Kim wrote on November 14, 2007 9:22 am:
" Cabela's HR is in Lincoln on NW 1st off of Superior. The speed limit there is 35mph. I think its awful how quick people always are to place blame on the victim in these posts. It was an accident that the dog got loose, it may have been an accident the dog got run over, but it wasn't an accident that the driver was speeding and didn't stop. "

James wrote on November 14, 2007 9:36 am:
" People do speed through this area. Pretty sure your dog would be dead, though, even if they were going 35. But they still should have stopped. "

Jack wrote on November 14, 2007 9:42 am:
" Sorry to hear about the loss of your family pet. Sounds like an unfortunate accident to me, but absolutely does not excuse the person driving the vehicle not to stop and rendor aid if possible. A completely heartless soul, unfortunately this attitude has seems to have become the norm in Lincoln over the past several years. It's all about me, who cares about anyone else..... My sympathy and peace to you Diana. "

CS wrote on November 14, 2007 10:33 am:
" Cabela's has a call center in Lincoln, NE. Why is everyone assuming she's too dumb to know what building is next to her husband? "

Not good ideas wrote on November 14, 2007 10:39 am:
" Walter Bagley... at 251 acres the State Fair Park is already short on land needed to make the park worthwhile or hold a decent state fair. And you want to turn over some of that land to the university? No. The State Fair and the desired technology campus cannot collaborate. There's not enough land for that to happen. And your idea about taking my tax money and spending it when state and local government already takes too much of my money is obsurd. Let's try giving that money back to the people who overpaid it and streamlining government (a good start would be to stop overpaying the school systems) to generate more dollars. "

peb wrote on November 14, 2007 11:19 am:
" Note that the rude and heartless commenters obviously didn't read the entire letter by Diana Gordon and jumped to conclusions. Wonder how many times that happens in other parts of those commenters' lives? "

hmmm wrote on November 14, 2007 11:21 am:
" Ms. Gordon, I apologize. I had no idea that "Cabelas" was a call center in a technology park in the Highlands. I'm sure most people in Lincoln, with the exception of Highlands residents and people who work there, had no idea that this place existed. Consider us now better informed. "

Beedle wrote on November 14, 2007 12:15 pm:
" I'm so sorry, Diana. We put our dog to sleep yesterday, but he was in the last stages of lymphoma, and it was his time. I can't imagine the pain of losing a young, lively pet in such a violent way. Regardless of the 'fault' in this case, the fact is that the person didn't have the basic decency to stop the car and, at the very least, assess the situation. "

Justice wrote on November 14, 2007 12:15 pm:
" I didn't know there was a Cabela's in Lincoln either, but I doubt that it is an issue. Every party to this action was at fault. Let's just leave it at that. There is no duty for a driver to stop. If he/she had, I'm sure he would have been hit with someone yelling at him and causing more problems. "

TS wrote on November 14, 2007 12:23 pm:
" I would bet that this was not the first time the dog got out of the collar. "

c wrote on November 14, 2007 12:37 pm:
" The speed limit in the area is 35 and it is RARELY followed. The industrial area around the Highlands is University of Nebraska Technology Park and it is attempting to be a technology mecca so you might be interested to know what goes on out there! This is also where the brand new Verizon Wireless call center is located (good that we're all happy they brought jobs to Lincoln, bad that no one has any idea where they are!). The area has residential homes, several technology companies, a few completly open fields and a GREAT bike path.... this is obviously an area where people live and not just a run down commercial patch in the city.... but since people don't frequent the area they blame the owner. Diana I'm REALLY sorry about your dog don't let the people on here get you down. "

OH, my WORD! wrote on November 14, 2007 12:52 pm:
" How unbelievably heartless people are! Animals and children are impulsive. Accidents happen. Sometimes accidents happen when people are following the law and doing the right thing, but your heartlessness towards Diana is downright embarrassing! You're not even considering the possibilities that the dog may have been on the edge of the road-you just assume he did the naughty thing and bolted out in front of a (speeding) car. Whatever. I'm sick to death of everything thinking the law doesn't apply to them, and when they're caught and cited for speeding, they think they don't have to go to court or pay the fine, and they're SO inconvenienced for being pulled over. Sick of it. Diana, I'm sorry for your loss, and for the idiots who live in this town. "

Get your facts wrote on November 14, 2007 12:59 pm:
" Only in Lincoln, do the people comment with daggers and hate, and PERFECT ME attitude, and have NOT a clue of what they are talking about. How sickening. And I'm sure every animal does exactly what you tell it to do. I'm so damn sick of that attitude it ain't funny!! And the rest I'm sure all the people that have worked all their lives and paid taxes really want to see their sweat put into the fun fun fun fun and sports sports, when theres no meaningfull jobs for people, a city that goes downhill and doesn't grow, a downtown that has evaporated except the bars bars bar and more fun fun fun. This mentallity is the reason people with money do not invest it in the city of Lincoln like they once did years ago. Many cities are being built and growing gung ho with business for jobs and decent salaries with funds from people that have money, NOT PROPERTY TAXES!! Cities that put all their money into a university and ignore business & industry for jobs find themselves going down the drain. If the state spends that surplus on the State Fair and UNL they need their heads examined! Plus if thsts what they do, then its time to move out, because there is no hope. How many years has the downtown been gone and the UNL keeps growing and so do the property taxes and the incomes keep going downhill except for the salaries paid by raping the property tax payers! "

Speed limit wrote on November 14, 2007 1:04 pm:
" According to one, the speed limit's 45, another says it's 35. Regardless of the posted limit, a person on a sidewalk can't accurately judge the speed of a car going down the street. Everything appears to go much faster to someone standing still. And if it's a 4 lane road as another said, this is a major road, and yes, any animal that runs unexpectedly in front of a car will be hit and killed. Since it was evening, the driver probably didn't even know it was a pet that was hit, might have just thought it was a wild animal. You've lost your pet and you're upset, but to suggest that this would have happened to a child is an exaggeration. I'm sure your husband would have had a better grip on a childs hand, as well as you would have taught the child to not run into the street (you would, wouldn't you?). "

Well, hmmmm wrote on November 14, 2007 2:01 pm:
" Speak for yourself regarding other people of Lincoln's knowledge of Lincoln businesses. Just because you didn't know Cabela's existed in Lincoln, don't assume other Lincolnites don't. Sorry about your dog Ms. Gordon. As is obvious by some of these posts, many bloggers are not only rude, but uninformed. My sympathy to your family. "

Realist wrote on November 14, 2007 2:38 pm:
" "Stop and render aid" to an illegally leashless mutt? My GOD people, listen to yourselves! It's not like the guy jumped the curb and swerved toward a poor defenseless animal. The dog was off it's leash and in the middle of the street! And how do you all KNOW he had any idea that he hit something? She didn't say what kind of car he was driving. For all you know it was a big old SUV... in which case he probably DIDN'T know he hit anything. Keep your dogs on their leashes people. This could have been avoided if the animal was being taken care of properly. "

Joe wrote on November 14, 2007 3:36 pm:
" To the writer of "not good ideas": Do you realize how minimal the refund of the surplus would be to the individual taxpayer? An investment in this state would be much more beneficial to invest in the state, potentially attracting corporations and more residents for growth. Alternatively, it may be prudent to invest the funds for future use when times are hard; unless you prefer a tax increase at that time? "

hmmm wrote on November 14, 2007 3:43 pm:
" Really, I regret having misunderstood Ms. Gordon's reference to location. Beyond that, I don't regret my post at all. Suppose Ms. Gordon's dog had run in front of a car going 25mph. The dog would still likely be fatally injured. Suppose the car had swerved to miss the dog and hit a tree. What if the car had carried a child who was injured? Who would be at fault now? My point is, accidents happen. People do stupid things, like drive too fast or be unable to control their dog. Outrage is relative. BTW, peb, I take offense at your post. It is you who did not read. The letter writer stated "Cabelas". I stated I drove 65 mph on I-80. "

Cofused realist wrote on November 14, 2007 3:54 pm:
" I think Realist is confusing realism for cold-heartedness. I wonder why the driver might not felt anything... hmmm, Saturday evening... in the evening... after the Huskers managed a win.... I wonder if they were travelling home from the bar and rendering aid would have revealed that they were intoxicated. So they would rather run over a dog, realize they hit it, but kept on booking in order to avoid the DUI. BTW Realist do you have kids? What do you tell them when their beloved pet dies? Tough luck? "

Not very Realist wrote on November 14, 2007 3:57 pm:
" I'm sorry, sir, but when I hit anything bigger than the size of a baseball with my car, hummer, suv, whatever, I know it. There is zero excuse in this situation. It very well was an accident, but that is not the point. "

CJL wrote on November 14, 2007 5:37 pm:
" I'm sorry Diana for your loss. I live a couple blocks from Cabela's and I know first hand the way people drive. Our back yard is along W.Highland Blvd. You wouldn't believe the way people drive! Speeding is a BIG problem. Now with Verizon next door, there's even more traffic. We have pets & usually don't take them out for a walk just in case they did get away. But one day they ran out the front door when someone stopped by & I was terrified. I can't believe the comments from people saying they doubted this was the first time your dog got off the leash! Why don't people believe that a dog can accidentally get out the door or slip out of it's collar & you're there holding a leash with the collar attached. That has happened to me. The point is, everyone needs to watch out for whatever comes out in the street, whether it's a dog, a child, a ball, (that a child may be following). This driver should have stopped & at least given Mr. Gordon & his dog a ride home. I can't imagine how hard it would be to carry an injured dog home. "

laura wrote on November 14, 2007 5:41 pm:
" Realist, speak for yourself but not for me. And you chose to use the word "mutt"...heartless. I spend my days teaching children manners, courtesy, and caring...When I read some of these posts, it is so discouraging to hear how mean, critical, and thoughtless some can be. But it does fire me up to teach common decency etiquette even more intensely tomorrow than I did today. Sorry about your loss, Diana. "

Judy wrote on November 14, 2007 5:42 pm:
" Anyone who has ever run over an animals knows how easy it can be to unaware of what you have done. I ran over a raccoon once and would have never know it if there hadn't been a street lamp there and if I hadn't glance back in my rearview mirror. It is sad when animals are struck by vehicle, but don't assume the worst in people before they get a chance to defend themselves. "

Nebraska Values? wrote on November 14, 2007 6:27 pm:
" Sure is nice to see all the Nebraska values at work in the comments today. Al these comments proves what I always tell people. Nebraskans are some of the rudest and nastiest people in the world. "

Just wondering...... wrote on November 14, 2007 6:28 pm:
" If anyone has even been by the State Fair Park recently???? There is, suddenly, a LOT of construction going on there. Fences have been moved, trees ave been cut down, and 17th street has been closed. I think that the "Big Red Machine" is going to have their way whether anyone likes it or not. Just take a drive by there and you will see for yourself!!!! "

Big Chief wrote on November 14, 2007 8:02 pm:
" Common courtesy would be to stop after hitting someone's pet. I did that one time in either Cambridge or Indianola, Nebraska. I was headed West on Hwy 34 in the city limits of whichever city it was. I was on my motorcycle doing the legal speed limit ( 35 mph if I remember correctly). A Large dog ran out of a yard and tried to get at me on my cycle. Usually I would have just accelerated and left the dog chasing his tail but that day there was a car in front of me and oncoming traffic. I slowed down enough that the dog got ran over by my front wheel. Maintaining control of a motorcycle after running over a 50 pound animal is pretty tricky. I managed to regain control and made a U turn to see about the animal. By this time the hysterical Woman who owned the dog was screaming and yelling at me calling me all kinds of names. Within just a few minutes a small group had gathered and a local cop was on the scene. The officer put the dog down after having friends of the Woman who owned the dog take her inside her house. I told the Cop I really felt bad about hitting the dog but I just couldn't avoid the collision. He said not to worry about it and to make sure my motorcycle wasn't damaged and then continue on my way. On my return trip I stopped in at the local Cop shop and asked the officer who had been there how things turned out. He told me that he almost lost his job over the incident because he put down the dog but witnesses stood up for him and cooler heads prevailed. "

Nate wrote on November 14, 2007 9:20 pm:
" Myself, I'm curious how Diana knew the car's speed. Unless you have a radar gun, LIDAR gun, or at least a stopwatch and a surveyor's wheel, it's pretty hard to judge a car's speed accurately. "

Nate wrote on November 14, 2007 9:36 pm:
" Additionally, Hmmm brings up a good point. It's not too hard to find stories on Google about drivers swerving to avoid pets or other animals and killing themselves or others in the process. Some drivers' ed courses now teach "Run over Rover". "

Cindy wrote on November 14, 2007 9:37 pm:
" It was just a dog! Had it been a squirrel, would you expect them to stop? A rabbit? I'm sure the driver saw that there was an animal on the loose and didn't think about the fact that someone else might be around. They probably figured there was nothing they could do. Di you want them to come back and shoot the dog? After all, who lets a dog run in the street under their supervision, so what would this person have done differently if they'd know it was a dog? "

Don wrote on November 14, 2007 11:38 pm:
" Sorry about the dog. Sorry that you have to endure such ruthless comments about it. These kind of people are the same kind that hate the Husker coaches and write all kinds of hateful things about him also. One other thing. People get too attached to animals in this country anymore. I grieved when I was a kid when our dog died, but I did not ever consider it a family member. These are pets for crying out loud, not humans. "

Brak Brak wrote on November 15, 2007 1:27 am:
" Of course I tell my child "tough luck" when a pet dies. What am I supposed to say? "If we pray then your dead dog will live again." "

Veterans Rule! wrote on November 15, 2007 11:58 am:
" Sadly LJS again shows how the liberal media ignores the sacrifices of our servicemen. Frankly I am amazed that they printed your letter. The anniversary of the bombing of the USS Cole was recently ignored by our paper and the national media. These were some of the first victims of Osama bin Laden and surely the not the last yet they are pushed under the rug. I agree that the Veterans Day front page should have been plastered with Red, White and Blue and pictures of our heroes living and dead. Just reminder - some of our heroes survive the wars, come home to their families and must here the unamerican verbage that flies around. Respect this country and it's soldiers please. I for one sincerely thank you all. America - Love it or Leave it!!! "

Matt wrote on November 15, 2007 12:28 pm:
" Diana. Leashes exist for a reason too. I'm sorry your dog was killed but you can't blame a driver for hitting your dog, when your dog is running out on the street!! The speed limits ARE NOT there to keep a person from hitting a dog that has wandered out on the street. Second, since your dog was just hit...I'm a little bit leery about trusting your assertion that the person was going "45-50" mph over the speed limit. So, you're saying he was doing 90 to 95 mph in a 45 mph zone?? Really?? For some reason I think that's probably an exaggeration. Further, people are not "heartless" for stating the facts. Yes, I do feel bad your family lost a pet, but I can objectively say that its probably your fault because he wasn't on a leash. Its not the car drivers fault...is he supposed to endanger his or his passengers live's to dodge the dog?? I tell my wife all the time "if you driving (at a decent clip...say over 45 mph) then hit the animal because I'd rather have you run over a dog or cat then have you swerve and kill yourself." Yes, the guy should have probably stopped out of courtesy, but the blame lands on the dog's owner. Sorry. "

SRO wrote on November 15, 2007 12:29 pm:
" If you read "carefully" you will see that the dog WAS, in fact, on a leash - it just wiggled out of it! I'm sorry for your loss. "

Dog wrote on November 15, 2007 1:34 pm:
" While it is sad what happened to Mrs. Gordon's dog, and yes speeding is rampant in that part of town, the isuue comes down to two things. 1- She has no way of knowing how fast the car was going. I live right off a major road and swear people are speeding like maniacs every day, when in reality most of them are not. 2- IT'S A DOG! I know, "Next time it might be a kid", but it wasn't- it was just a dog I know they hold a special place in our heart, but it's a dog. Go adopt another one. She claims it's not a small dog? Define small. My dog is 100 lbs. and for her breed, she's small. As for telling my kids- yep, I would tell them to get over it. Growing up on a farm and living right off a highway, I buried more pets before age 10 than most people will even own in a lifetime. Death is a part of life. Good way to teach them how to deal with grief- something they will have to learn anyways. Yes, it can be hard and a very sad thing to go through, but life will not end because you dog got hit. "

Kate wrote on November 15, 2007 7:27 pm:
" I am sorry for your loss, Diana. It would be heartbreaking to go through that. Some of the blogs here are people who lack compassion. Dogs and cats are part of the family and brings lots of joy. Being a resident in the north bottoms, there are many inconsiderate drivers who think the detour does not pertain to them. It is continous traffic at speeds of over 25mph. I fear people here with animals will endure the same fate. Don't ask the city for help. They don't care. "