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Letters, 11/12: Apology for fish incident

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Monday, Nov 12, 2007 - 12:14:11 am CST

As the executive director of Campus Life, on behalf of our staff and board of directors, I would like to sincerely apologize for the lack of judgment shown in the goldfish incident at a Campus Life club held recently at Scott Middle School and to those who were affected by this activity.

In our 38-year history in Lincoln, we have prided ourselves in serving the public school system and in building relationships with students to help them better their lives. As an organization, we are committed to providing responsible activities in each of our Campus Life programs while maintaining respect, dignity and the welfare of students.

We will be reviewing our activities to minimize the chance that something like this will happen again. We will strive for excellence as we continue impacting the lives of students in Lincoln and surrounding communities.

Bryan Carlson, Lincoln

Just one mistake

I think it’s sad that so many people look at this one incident as a way to condemn religious groups for kids. Call it “creepy Christianity” if you like, but there are lots of other kids out there doing far worse for entertainment.

I was in Campus Life as a high schooler (years ago), and they never tried to force anything on anyone. It was a great outlet to avoid being pressured into all of the other things high schoolers face.

I’m not surprised that there has been an uproar over this. People who despise Christianity look for whatever reason they can to point their fingers at religious individuals and groups that make mistakes.

I should point out here that I am a Christian, but I wouldn’t call myself religious — I think religion and religious legalism do a lot of disservice to the Christian community.

What these leaders allowed obviously displayed a lapse in judgment. It was irresponsible and also, quite frankly, disgusting.

However, I hope that all the good this organization has done will not be overshadowed by the outrage of a few naysayers who will look for any excuse to discredit Christianity.

Holly Lafferty, Lincoln

Clearing up the facts

As a registered dietitian with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, I’d like to correct some false statements made in a recent letter about our organization and our efforts to reform federal food policy (“Farm aid article slanted,” LJS, Nov. 4).

PCRM is an independent nonprofit research and advocacy organization financed mainly by donations from our membership, which includes more than 6,000 physicians. PCRM often cooperates with other organizations, from major universities to animal protection groups, but none of them, including PETA, has ever provided a major part of PCRM’s budget.

The meat industry derives enormous financial benefits from Farm Bill subsidies for feed crops. Tyson Foods and Smithfield Foods, two of America’s largest meat companies, pocketed an estimated $2.6 billion and $2.2 billion, respectively, in savings from cheap feed grains between 1997 and 2005, according to Tufts University researchers. High-fat, high-cholesterol meat and dairy products play a major role in America’s increasing rates of obesity and diabetes.

More than 300 cancer specialists and 400 pediatricians and other physicians from across the nation have signed petitions circulated by PCRM calling on lawmakers to reform the Farm Bill and make good nutrition a priority. The President’s Cancer Panel and the American Medical Association also have asked Congress for significant reforms.

In fact, the AMA has called for a new emphasis on vegetables, fruits, legumes, grains, vegetarian foods and healthful nondairy beverages in school lunches and food assistance programs.

Susan Levin,

Physicians Committee

for Responsible Medicine

Washington, D.C.

Beats a retirement plan

Let’s see: Nebraska hires an athletic director who, in turn, hires a coaching staff. They give them all “big bucks” to be paid out over multiyear contracts.

They in turn, design a plan to totally mess up a good program big time, will not resign, unless we buy out their multiyear contracts. They take the “big bucks” and live “happily ever after.”

Looks to me like it pays big time to mess up. They receive the “big bucks” much easier and quicker and head to the beach ahead of the crowd.

This sure beats my investments and retirement plan.

Bob Marhenke, Lincoln

Time for a change

The Treasury advocates urgent action as a $16 trillion shortfall is facing the Social Security system in the near future. The president has refused to take any action, even though immediate action is urgently recommended by a Treasury Department report recently released.

As this administration spends billions of dollars a week in Iraq searching for an exit from this ongoing foreign policy disaster, the bills we cannot pay continue to swell. Medicare and Medicaid are actually in more serious financial trouble than Social Security.

Would it be wiser to use the money and manpower spent in Iraq at home? Our local roads, school systems, health care and other social needs soon will feel the need for these displaced funds.

As our president continues to spin and hide the terrible costs of this occupation, he asks for billions more. In the face of huge government expansion bills he has signed, he only uses his veto pen against poor American children.

We are not a bottomless pit of cash and blood. New priorities in America require new people; it’s time for a change.

Steven D. Burbach, Lincoln


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King Kamehameha wrote on November 12, 2007 7:17 am:
" Bob Marhenke... learn what a contract is and when it is used, then recognize how stupid your letter is. The school made a bad hire in Pederson and he made a bad hire in Callahan, but Division I college athletic directors and head football coaches don't work on hourly salaries. When you mess up, you eat crow and suffer the consequences. But don't think for a second that the next coach and AD won't have contracts that by law must be honored. This is how business is done. "

Hank wrote on November 12, 2007 7:22 am:
" Actually, the social security system is years away from a financial crunch, but that does not diminish Steven's point. We have time to make the minor adjustments needed to keep social security sound. However, we cannot continue throwing away hundreds of billions on an illegal invasion and occupation of another country for the simple reason that it kills people, it severely undermines our ability to deal with healthcare, education, deteriorating infrastructure, global warming, and economic inequality. When we come down to it, just about anything is more worthy of our attention than an illegal war carried out on the basis of lies and deception. "

c wrote on November 12, 2007 7:30 am:
" Holly, as a Christian I disagree with the actions of Campus Life staff at Scott with the gold fish. Teaching children that torturing animals of any kind does not follow along with being a Christian. Campus Life needs to be especially selective in the youth sponsors that they select for their in school programs and maybe some day they will be permitted back into that school. The Campus Life personnel involved in this incident showed bad judgement and have been asked to no longer participate in the lives of easy to influence middle schoolers. These children's parents still have the option to take their kids to the Campus Life main office for events AND for kids who are in district for Scott that is less than a 5 mile drive. "

Social Security Truth Detector wrote on November 12, 2007 8:28 am:
" Despite the best efforts of the media and some politicians, there is no looming problem with Social Security. Without changing one thing, Social Security is scheduled to continue paying out full benefits well into 2040 and beyond. At that point, if nothing were to change, the system WOULD NOT be bankrupt, but individuals would receive less than 100% of benefits. How can it go bankrupt when people are continually funding the program? President Reagan oversaw a small increase in Soc Security taxes that was, in part, responsible for its remaining solvency through the 1st half of this decade. A similar increase, or raising the cap (roughly speaking, only the first $90,000 of an individuals income are subject to SS taxes) to 150k or 200k would make the program more than solid. However, the privatizers on the right, those playing politics on the left, and the media who is complicit in both, don't work very hard to correct the fakery and scamming that goes on regarding Social Security reporting or anlaysis. An oft cited stat is that most 20 year olds believe they won't see SS. Well, its simply not true. Unless they change it, it will be around, and the "fix" needed is much smaller than we are led to believe. Medicare and Medicaid. Now there, you have some issues. Regardless, Burbach is correct. Our priorities are skewed. Even tho folks will look upon Steve Larrick's candidacy with scorn, his campaign speech contains more truth and honesty and analysis then we'll see in months of debates and commercials from Fahey, Johanns, and Bruning. People need to wake up. "

QB Changes wrote on November 12, 2007 8:35 am:
" As far as I'm concerned, the best thing the coaches could've done this year would've been to sit Sam Keller on the bench. Joe did a great job and should've been given the chance long ago. Although after seeing Sam dancing all over the place and doing a horrible "soulja boy" dance on Saturday night, it makes me wonder how bad that injury truly is! "

lw wrote on November 12, 2007 8:41 am:
" I appreciate Mr. Carlson's apology for the Campus Life incident. Ms. Lafferty's frustrated concern that people who despise Christianity are looking for whatever reason they can to condemn it is overly generalizing. Speaking for myself, I don't "despise" any religious group working within their own confines, I used to be a Christian in my youth so I understand. It is when ANY group behaves publicly with such carelessness that you will see responses like the ones Campus Life has gotten. Believe what you will in daily life, but be prepared for a perfectly predictable reaction from the public when you take your behavior into the common areas of the community that may not subscribe to your views. The same type of response would have occurred with any discovery of animal abuse or neglect, and frequently has. Placing arbitrary qualification on the importance of one species over another (beating a puppy as opposed to swallowing live fish) is of no relevant separation to many of us. There are enough concerned individuals in town that someone is going to call you on it, this should be no real surprise. The fact that it was done in a Christian environment makes no difference to me, although it is obviously ironic given the teachings of compassion that are supposedly inherent. "What you do to the least of these..." extends far beyond how we treat just people, or it should. True, Christian compassion cannot be truly achieved until this archaic barrier is removed. "

Jeff wrote on November 12, 2007 8:44 am:
" Steven! Don't you understand the urgency since 9/11. We are at war with islamic extremists. We have now defeated El-Queda in Iraq - so we are on our way to victory! Now we turn our attention to Hamas, Pakistan, Iran, Syria - we'll be at war for the next 100 years at that rate we are going - so forget about your social security and medicare. I suppose we could try to vote into power a leader who has some skills at diplomacy and international relations. That would be a novel approach. But you know - threatening WWIII might work to.. besides - spending money on missles, defense systems, military supplies, etc. is good for the economy too. We have the greatest healthcare system in the world you know. OK - so we spend 5 times as much as the closest competitor and our infant death rate isn't so good and its starting to hurt us in the global economy - but hey - if you work for a drug company, medical technology company, or insurance company , for-profit hospital - life is grand. Who needs social security anyway! We charge our citizens top dollar for drugs, but give them to Canada and Great Britian for half price. Don't try and change the system Steven - its working so well. "

Josh wrote on November 12, 2007 8:52 am:
" Just because I believe the Campus Life "Creepy Fish Caper" was irresponsible, does not mean I am anti-Christian. I hope that Bryan Carlson was punished in some way. "

Rich wrote on November 12, 2007 9:02 am:
" Mr. Marhenke is right. Unfortunately, our whole country operates on big bucks. When I went to work I started out at a very small salary and it grew according to my work performance. This really shows how intelligent those are with all the education they are suppose to have. Why would someone be paid huge bucks before the employer knows whether they can do the job?? Years back when they started hiring an officer worker and giving them $1,000. just to come to work for a company, ie walk in the door, was wrong in my opinion. These are the people now saying, to the older people that actually worked for a living, "well you should have saved when you were younger." Our country financially is going down hill fast, but the working generations now are the ones who have been given piles of money on a platter and so called "work" half the hours people use to work. As the Bible says, "you reap what you sow." Unfortunately, the greedy are destroying everyone. "

sean wrote on November 12, 2007 9:33 am:
" To say Bryan Carlson should be punished in crazy. Wow, has this gotten blown out of proportion. Yes, someone may have used bad judgment with the fish, but come on, it was a goldfish! I don't even think Campus Life should have been taken from the school. I want to thank Bryan Carlson and Campus Life for the good things they do. "

Jelly wrote on November 12, 2007 9:35 am:
" Steven staees the Treasury advocates urgent action because of a 16 trillion $ shortfall with Social security and in the next breath suggests that the money that could be saved by exiting Iraq should be spent on "local roads, school systems, health care, and 'other' social needs. Shouldn't we make up our minds about what should take priority? "

peb wrote on November 12, 2007 9:44 am:
" It is so irritating to read the comments about Campus Life "making just one mistake" at Scott Middle School. If people had read all the articles, they would have known that the fishing-bobbing incident was one of several questionable incidents Campus Life was involved in at Scott Middle School. If LPS was truly "out to get the Christians," don't you think they would have done that before now? We expect more out of Christian groups. I wonder if Campus Life does long term evaluations to see if their program really does all the good they say it does? "

Julie wrote on November 12, 2007 9:46 am:
" Thank you SS truth detector. You said what I could not. I agree that it would be better to spend the money at home instead of over there. That also goes for all of the foreign aid that we pay to everyone in the world including the PLO. All of the foreign aid that we have been paying for years. I am sure that these countries will now want their aid paid in Euros. But Bush did try to change SS. I do not like the direction that he was sending it, but he did not "refuse to take any action" "

Chris wrote on November 12, 2007 9:57 am:
" I wholeheartedly agree with Steven Burbach that we continue to squander resources on war. But lets face it the reason we are involved in the Middle East at all is because we are too dependent on oil. Republicans are too connected to the energy companies to make any substantive change in this direction. And Democrats have killed any energy reform legislation for several years now, in a way that would only make Ned Ludd proud. Its clear we need a change, but I'm not optimistic you will see it from any of the miserable bunch of hacks currently jockeying for power in this country. "

Re: peb wrote on November 12, 2007 10:09 am:
" To say you "expect more out of Christian groups" is actually discrimination. Christians are human too, and they make mistakes like everyone else. It's actually refreshing to see the CL staff accept responsibility and show some integrity. They've dealt with this firestorm with humility and composure - something many of our secular leaders could stand to learn. "

Young and Hard Working wrote on November 12, 2007 10:41 am:
" I am not really sure where Rich's comments are coming from, nor do I follow Mr. Marhenke's logic in drawing the conclusion that it pays to screw up. In response to Marhenke, the coaches' contracts had performance bonuses included, meaning they would get paid more if the team does well. I doubt they have received this additional pay this year (judging by team peformance), and further their future coaching prospects are hurt by the performance of the team this year and in past years. Thus, the present value of their future cash flows has decreased signficantly. So no, it does not pay big time to mess up. As for the poster Rich, I am a young professional (Gen Y) and I resent you saying that we don't work hard. In fact, most research suggests that my generation works more hours than past generations. We don't believe in the 9-5, 40-hour work week...my work weeks range from 60-70 hours and I am not complaining one bit. Moreover, my friends who are investment bankers regularly put in 100-hour work weeks, and yes they get paid a lot for it because they are creating a lot of value for their companies. But that in no way affects older generations' retirement income, and if you did not save as a young professional than I can't help that. It's not like investing is a recent concept...didn't Ben Franklin say "A penny saved is a penny earned?" "

Locke wrote on November 12, 2007 11:17 am:
" I don't know if I would say that Campus Life acted "with humility and composure." They only took responsibility for their actions after they were caught and punished. Does this seem like "a refreshing act"? To me it seems like when someone was finally held accountable for a series of misdeeds, they went "Oops, we better apologize." A much more composed and humble leadership would have done something positive after the first incident, and then the other incidents would not have occurred. "

Incredulous... wrote on November 12, 2007 12:07 pm:
" I just can't even believe people are concerned about some goldfish when thousands of babies are dying via abortion! "

NL wrote on November 12, 2007 12:49 pm:
" Boy, this is a tough crowd, Mr Carlson, I guess you're darned if you do, darned if you don't when it comes to appologizing. I appreciate it though, and really think everyone is blowing it way out of proportion. "

Re: Locke wrote on November 12, 2007 1:02 pm:
" You're assuming CL was given fair warning after the alleged "series of misdeeds." My sources said there was one incident 5 years ago (under different leadership), and no complaints since then. Maybe LPS has their reasons for not giving the public more details about their decision, but I'm curious about the steps taken to address issues with CL before expelling the group. "

Theresa wrote on November 12, 2007 2:13 pm:
" I think what we really need to take away from this situation in Iraq is we, Americans, need to use our critical thinking when we cast our votes for representatives. A very simple way to do that is see if the person has a track record of keeping their word. I have one question for people: Do you feel like your President is representing you? The reason I present this question is because he is not the leader of the free world, he is a person who is supposed to represent us. Does he represent what you believe? "

Don wrote on November 12, 2007 5:59 pm:
" All professional athletes are given big bucks when they are recruited before their employers know whether or not they can perform. So why not the coaches? "

But Incredulous wrote on November 12, 2007 6:30 pm:
" What's more appalling than the number of abortions is the number of frozen embryos being thrown away. There are more unused frozen embryos thrown away each day than there are abortions in 2 years in the US. Let's shut down those fertility clinics. If you can't conceive a child naturally, adopt. It is that simple. "

BigTuna wrote on November 12, 2007 7:12 pm:
" peb did you even read the letter? where did it state that LPS was out to get christians? did you know that the LJS adds the titles to the letters and that the author doesn't get to choose them? the letter also stated that it was not acceptable behavior to be doing this to goldfish. i wonder if any of the people commenting have read all the blogs comments to some of the letters. their was a lot of anti-christian talk. and what if this had happened with the football team or cheerleaders whould they get rid of those teams if something like this happened i think not. they would probably ask the coach/sponsor involved to step down. that is all that should happen here. finally i invite anyone who has never thought that something was a good idea only to later find out that it really wasn't the best thing to do to post comments. everyone makes mistakes it's how you deal with them that shows who you really are. "

Fritz wrote on November 12, 2007 8:39 pm:
" Even more appalling than the number of frozen embryos thrown away is the number of babies that die after people engage in intercourse. For ever baby born in the U.S., another baby is killed by the mother's body itself. Let's stop this travesty and stop having intercourse right away! "

Holly Holly Holly wrote on November 12, 2007 9:27 pm:
" Nobody is trying to discredit this group. The group discredited itself. Happy Hollydays! Merry Xmas! "

hlafferty wrote on November 12, 2007 9:35 pm:
" I think many people misunderstood my letter-- to "c"--I did not ever say that what Campus Life did was okay or that it should be allowed to meet at Scott. Read my letter again. To "peb"--there are several articles that allude to other incidents at Campus Life, but no one names what exactly they are, so how can anyone condemn this group for things that have not been named? And I did not come up with the title "just one mistake." The LJS titles the pieces. I'm wondering who you were quoting when you said that "LPS is out to get Christians." I never said that either. Maybe you should also read my letter again. I was not intending to overgeneralize--I did not say all people use these incidents to criticize Christianity. But no one can deny the fact that, from several articles and comments in the LJS alone, many people were condemning this religious group and Christianity as a whole for this one incident--in particular one comment I read that said this was "creepy Christianity" and Christians are trying to shock people into joining, or lure them in with these things to brainwash them. That is what prompted me to write. I do not agree with what Campus Life did at all, I just don't think the whole group should be judged for it. "

Lincolnite wrote on November 13, 2007 8:57 am:
" I can't believe how this goldfish issue has gotten blown out of proportion. Have any of you ever been to a carnival? Carnival's often have a game setup with small fish bowls with goldfish in them. You throw ping pong balls (oops, I better say table tennis so I don't anger the PC police) and if you get one in a bowl you get the bowl and the fish. The kid takes this fish home and neglects it for 3 days and it dies and mommy flushes it down the toilet. This issue is no worse. Let's let this die, like the little fishies in those student's tummies and move on to something newsworthy. "

peb wrote on November 13, 2007 10:00 am:
" The "Just One Mistake" letter includes the words, ". . . this one incident as a way to condemn religious groups . . ." No, maybe no one said/wrote the specific words, "LPS is out to get Christians" but reading all the comments to the 3-4 pieces published in the LJS can lead to the assumption that the commenters believe LPS is out to get Christians. Who removed Campus Life from Scott Middle School? LPS. How about a statement saying, and I partially quote from Ms. Lafferty's letter, "I hope that all the good this organization has done will not be overshadowed by the foolishness of the Campus Life supervisor at Scott Middle School." Many incidents happen at schools that only the administration knows about and to protect all involved, those incidents cannot be made public. "

BB wrote on November 13, 2007 11:40 am:
" The real christian thing for everyone to do is accept Mr Carlson's appolagy and let them get back to the good work they do! And the rest of you JUST GET OVER IT!!! "

Sam wrote on November 13, 2007 6:20 pm:
" Unfortunately, "Holly Holly Holly," you are incorrect. The entire group is not discredited because of the mistakes made by one chapter's leaders. Campus Life has been around for years and is a nationwide group. As the old saying goes, you wouldn't throw out an entire barrel of apples because one is rotten. Also, the Happy Hollydays comment was tacky. At least she had the guts to put her name on a letter and face the people that disagreed with her opinion, unlike you. "