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By OSKAR GARCIA / The Associated Press

Sunday, Jul 22, 2007 - 04:06:08 pm CDT

OMAHA, Neb. — An American-Islamic advocacy group has drafted a complaint to federal officials that is awaiting the signatures of dozens of Muslim Somali workers who allege they were fired or harassed by supervisors at a Grand Island meatpacking plant for trying to pray at sunset.

The complaint from the Council on American-Islamic Relations, to be filed with federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission officials, compiles testimony from at least 44 workers who say they quit or were either fired or verbally and physically harassed over the prayer issue.

The complaint alleges that breaktime rules at the Swift & Co. plant violate civil rights laws by not allowing workers to leave production lines to pray at sundown.

The sunset prayer, known as the maghrib, is the fourth of five daily prayers required of all Muslims.

Jama Mohamed, 28, said he was fired from the Swift plant in June for leaving a production line to pray. He said supervisors would not allow him a break.

“Some of them took the (prayer) mat from me; they started shouting, they started telling me to stop it, and one of them grabbed me by the collar of my shirt,” Mohamed said through an interpreter.

“I was crying at the time this was happening to me, and when I finished I told them while they were doing that I was in the middle of a prayer.”

Mohamed said he was then called to an office where a supervisor fired him.

The Somali workers had planned to sign the complaint during a meeting Sunday, but that was changed to a later date.

The complaint reprises issues that boiled over in May when 120 Somali workers abruptly quit for similar reasons. About 70 of them returned to the plant a week later, but union officials worried the issue would resurface as sundown inched later each day through the spring.

“For three days it was all good and we were praying — there was no hassle, no interference, nothing at all,” said Ali Schire, 30, who said he returned to the plant but was later fired for trying to pray.

“All of a sudden after three days it just all got loose, and they were suspending people, they were firing people,” Schire said through an interpreter. “Some of the people even had to give up praying at all for fear of being fired.”

Later sunsets run past breaks allotted in the union contract meant to keep workers from long stretches on production lines.

An employment attorney for the Greeley, Colo.-based Swift said that unscheduled breaks can force unplanned shutdowns of lines.

“That is a significant number of employees, and there is not much of a way to accommodate that consistent with keeping the production online,” said Donald Selzer, a Minneapolis-based attorney.

But workers and Muslim advocates say Somali workers have since been fired on the spot for praying while others have been made fun of for the way they prayed.

Mohamed Rage, chairman of the Omaha Somali-American Community Organization, said: “They are treating (the Somalis) like criminals now — anyone who prays is a criminal.”

At least two dozen workers had been fired since May by Swift for praying, he said, but Swift disputes the number.

Selzer said only three Somali workers were fired for reasons relating to the issue, and for walking off the line without permission, not for praying.

“These people are absolutely entitled to pray, and they should not be interfered with for doing so,” Selzer said. “But on the other hand, the only situations that I’ve been made aware of are people that walk off the job without permission, and that’s a different kind of an issue.”

The president of the local union that represents workers said he had not heard of many Somali workers being fired or harassed since May.

Dan Hoppes, president of Local 22 of the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, said he sees regular lists of people who are fired from the plant. Nothing in those lists raised his suspicions, he said, but added that the plant — which employs about 3,000 people in all and about 150 Somalis — generally has very high turnover.

He couldn’t file a grievance in some of the cases because prayer breaks are not part of the contract, Hoppes said, but he plans to revisit the issue with plant officials when the contract is renegotiated in 2010.

A Chicago-based staff attorney with the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Rima Kapitan, said Swift has been “unwilling to work with us to create a solution where the workers can pray.”

Kapitan said Swift rejected her group’s suggestion to allow the Somalis who work evenings to leave in smaller shifts to avoid disrupting lines. The five- to 10-minute sunset prayer must be done within a 45-minute window surrounding sunset, according to Muslim prayer rules.

Selzer and Hoppes said the company suggested phasing evening workers to shifts earlier in the day that did not interrupt prayer times.

“We’re perfectly happy to try to pursue that angle so that we don’t have this conflict,” Selzer said. “But given the people who are on the second shift — many of whom prefer to be there — this sort of presents the operational realities.”

Somali workers also complain that other workers are regularly granted breaks to use the bathroom or to smoke and that prayer time should be granted in the same way.

Selzer said Swift supervisors can allow unscheduled breaks only for workers to use the bathroom and only if it does not interfere with production lines.

Workers are told to use the bathroom during their scheduled breaks, and some who routinely ask for breaks are reprimanded for abusing the unofficial policy, Selzer said.

Muslim advocates say requests for workplace accommodations of Muslim religious obligations have become common around the country.

Mohamed said it is important for Muslims to pray within scheduled times and not to postpone prayers or say them early.

“I would never forgive myself and God would not forgive me if I do not pray on time because I want to earn some money,” he said.


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whatever wrote on July 22, 2007 4:38 pm:
" If the federal government and the courts go along with this you can be sure every religious group in this country will begin to assert it's rights of religious practice over the rights of business. I as a Christian and others who share my views will make sure I always have the Sabbath off and any other religious holiday, regardless of workplace priorities. If the Islamics can pull this off, then more power to him. It's time to bring religion back to all of our lives. "

Doug wrote on July 22, 2007 5:19 pm:
" These people exchanged a comitmetn of their time for a paycheck. End of story. If they have an internal religious obligation to pray at certain hours then they will need to have a job that accomadates that and production line work certainly will not. "

Mary Ann wrote on July 22, 2007 5:49 pm:
" This is one of the reasons why all religious beliefs/practices must not be allowed to interfere with work/school/government. And that includes Christianity! "

nitemare wrote on July 22, 2007 9:48 pm:
" They forget that they live in AMERICA now... "

religous harrassment? wrote on July 22, 2007 10:09 pm:
" Ok, so it's allowed and then it becomes religious bias. Get a different job. "

Gerard Harbison wrote on July 22, 2007 10:20 pm:
" One more instance of how Islam is simply incompatible with the modern world. Why are we sheltering refugees whose atavistic practices can't be accommodated within a normal American workday? Why must our businesses cater to a 7th century calendar? "

I will start buying swift now wrote on July 22, 2007 10:52 pm:
" I think I will start making sure I buy swift meat. "

this is disheartening wrote on July 22, 2007 11:11 pm:
" Just because these individuals are Muslim does not mean that they are radicals or a threat to our lives. They are not Al Quieda or the warlords of Mogadishu. These are people who came to a new country to make a better life for themselves. Which I bet your ancestors did just a couple generations before. I do believe that they should try to find a shift or a job that can handle their religious responsibilities better. Maybe an overnight shift. I am Christian and use to work on Sundays, but that was my choice. It is their choice to work a job that requires them to be on a line during their religious observations. Please remember that their rights only go as far until they affect the rights of others. If they take breaks and it affects other workers, they are then infringing on the others rights. I by no means meant this to sound as mean spirited as it did, but this is how I feel. "

Julie wrote on July 22, 2007 11:17 pm:
" nitemare,I think you have forgotten that you live in America as well and the Bill of Rights guarantees to ALL the freedom of religion. While I understand that over 100 people walking off a production line would cause a disruption of the work place, it does not sound as if there had been any discussion about the situation or attempt at resolution, and teasing and assualting a person for the practice of their religion is appaling. Oh, and the comment about Black Hawk down, do we deny the rights of Germans because of Hitler or the rights of Japanese because of Pearl Harbor? The Constitution of this country does not just guarantee the rights that some people agree with. If it were rights that some of you who are so quick to condemn held dear, you would be screaming lawsuit. "

Clay wrote on July 23, 2007 1:15 am:
" I cannot believe this is even an issue. All companies must make "reasonable accomodations" In this case they could work 1st or 3rd shift pretty reasonable accomodation I must say. Last time I have checked the sun has never set on 1st or 3rd shift-well discounting Alaska maybe. You can't shut down a line at a meat packing plant. All these people want is to sue and get some money. They have got some good lawyers brainwashing them. It is beyond me why we are allowing garbage like this to clutter our court system. "

Golly wrote on July 23, 2007 6:09 am:
" I can't believe the hatred of muslims and Somalians here. Would you be spewing all this venom if a catholic or someone from Ireland raised this issue? I seriously doubt it. You people forget about the constitution and especially the 1st amendment that guarantees freedom of religion. The US Supreme Court has ruled in the case Sherbert v. Verner that an employer cannot force you to work on your sabbath. If nothing else is possible, the employer must give you time off to attend worship service. I would like to see this raised in the arguments. And, please, keep your hatred to yourself. And you wonder why they hate us so much. "

Deputy Dawg wrote on July 23, 2007 6:11 am:
" OK, let's get something straight right now. If Muslims want to pray at sunset, they can take a job where they're not working at sunset. When you have a job, you give it priority during working hours. This is the American way. If Muslims don't want to adapt to the American way, move to Iran. But if you want to live like Americans, shut up and do your job. "

Religious freedom wrote on July 23, 2007 7:52 am:
" Am a supporter of religious freedom whether you are a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan or Ink Pen worshipper. Reality is that you still have to somewhat conform to the real work world & that's especially true with production lines. As some of the other comments said, they can go get another job that jives more closely with their prayer schedule or work a different shift. I don't see these alternative solutions as hatred or trashing their religion. Just different work choices. This is America we are all about choices. They made a choice to work at the plant. They can easily choose to work somewhere else. Or they can build their own Muslim meat packing plant that would accommodate their prayer schedule. If religions can build schools geared toward their beliefs, there's nothing stopping them from starting businesses too. That's part of the American dream. In Norfolk, there have been a couple of small meat packing plants that closed. The buildings are abandoned. Have them start their own business there. "

Simple answer wrote on July 23, 2007 8:38 am:
" I agree with those saying these aggrieved workers simply need to get a job where this won't be a problem. Geesh!! I have a constitutional right to sport 3-inch finger nails, but if I am a typist and it interferes with my work, then I need to either not have them or get another job! I see 'help wanted' signs all over the place anymore, so there are other jobs out there. "

ted wrote on July 23, 2007 8:41 am:
" private companies have the right to set thier own reasonable work rules. If you don't like them work sonewhere else. "

WCG wrote on July 23, 2007 9:27 am:
" No one thinks religion is more ridiculous than I do, but we have freedom of religion here and there's no reason that employers and employees can't figure out a fair solution for any religion (that won't overly inconvenience non-believers). But it's not always going to be easy, either. This kind of problem is not going to go away, but it will just take reasonable people, with good-will towards everyone, to find solutions. Reasonable people on BOTH sides, of course. Believers may have to compromise, too, hard as that might be for some to accept. Yeah, it would be nice if everyone would stop believing in superstition and mythology, but it's not going to happen - not anytime soon, anyway. And you can see from the other comments that there's a lot of bigotry here that's aimed specifically at Muslims. That's un-American. Your religion is your own business. I don't agree with any of it - I think it's entirely wishful thinking - but I'll defend the right of ANYONE to believe whatever he wants. You can't force it on the rest of us, but you should be able to expect reasonable accomodation. "

for the red, white and blue wrote on July 23, 2007 9:39 am:
" They are now in America, by choice, and must abide by what is the norm here. It amazes me to hear that non-Americans come to live here (by choice) usually for a better, safer life and then expect everything to be as it was in their homeland! If they are suppose to be working and getting paid for it, we don't stop to pray. They can pray when they get off work or on their lunch hour! "

Biting the hand that feeds you wrote on July 23, 2007 9:43 am:
" The US offers them a chance at a better life from whatever country they come from. Freedoms that weren't probably offered in their country are ok here. Think that by suing the company that provides them with a job, benefits, etc. is ridiculous. That would be like my Jewish friend suing the company that we work at for giving out hams at Christmas. "

dlb wrote on July 23, 2007 9:44 am:
" If any of you had worked in a production line environment, you would know that just leaving the line without permission is simply not allowed. Not only does it cause the company problems (ie line shutdown lost production) it can be for the safety of other workers as well. (If I am not there then more pressure is put on you and others to get the work done) I am sure that if these folks would work the line in accordance to the policies of the company that are built with mutual gains bargaining with the respresentative group there would be no problems. "

Heading for Somalia wrote on July 23, 2007 9:56 am:
" Wonder if Somalia would change things for Christians if they immigrated over there. I'd expect them to keep the production line moving just for me because I want to keep working during their prayer times. I'm not sure if Sat. or Sun. is the real Sabbath. To cover my bases, I want both days off. Seriously, coming to the US gave you a chance to start over & escape whatever conditions that were going on in your country. Aren't you kinda biting the hands that feeds you? Just get a different job if it's that big of deal to you. "

Biff wrote on July 23, 2007 10:37 am:
" Where is this insanity going to stop? Cab drivers that won't take passengers carrying canned hams, checkout clerks that won't scan bacon or beer,and now production line workers wanting to adjust the schedule based on sunrise and sunset.It would appear that not only are these people in the wrong century, they have definetly resettled in the wrong country. "

Joe wrote on July 23, 2007 10:40 am:
" The article says many of the second shift people prefer to be there, if the muslims are some of the second shift people that prefer to be at work at that time then the company should not have to bow down to their religous needs, the company tried to work with them by putting them on a different shift, if they didn't want to do that then that is their problem, not the companies problem. Sounds to me like they are just looking for a lawsuit, but you have to give them credit for trying to be a true american and try to sue or change the rules just because you don't get your way! NOT!!! "

welcome to USA wrote on July 23, 2007 10:55 am:
" Just because you are now in a country that doesn't cater to your every needs doesn't mean that you need to cry about it. If employees had to cater to everyone's individual beliefs this country would be a mess. When you got hired I'm sure they told you when the scheduled breaks were and you should have thought about that. This isn't a muslim country and we're not about ready to make it one, when you come here you have to deal with this stuff. "

shreck wrote on July 23, 2007 11:00 am:
" Hey, that would be cool. Let them practice their religion. I want all Sundays off and I consider it sacreligious if anybody else works on Sunday! So, no more shopping...no more NFL football, no more TV...golf tournaments end on Saturdays. I think this is a great idea! "

Walt wrote on July 23, 2007 11:27 am:
" Why can't Islam adjust to the U.S. laws and practices. Our country has developed on separation of Church (religion) with Jefferson reffering to separation as a wall not line. If the job interferes with religious beliefs then the person should get a different job. "

Big T wrote on July 23, 2007 11:28 am:
" And we wonder why they hate us. "

I agree wrote on July 23, 2007 12:17 pm:
" Big T - They hate us I believe it is because this is their religious doctrine. Not how we treat them. Then the Muslims/Islams are whatever get into the fundamentalist arguments. Then we hear what a peaceful religion or government that they are. Their accomodations are challenging. USA Flag said it right... We cannot allow students to pray in school. It is a public area... The best argument is in the public arena (schools, etc), but we shut that down. This is a privately owned company (I would assume), there should be less of a case here. But as of late we install areas for Muslims to wash their feet in airports (Detroit), now we have working environments being considered, and as stated the refusal of job performances because it is against their religious beliefs.... Did I wake up in the wrong country? And this has nothing to do with Religious Freedom. It is a fundamental American principle... I am taking this job to stock shelves, work 8 to 5 and get paid? YES I ACCEPT THE JOB. "

Hazel wrote on July 23, 2007 12:25 pm:
" One wonders what the hiring process is like at the plant? Are HR people aware of the cultural issues of the Islamic population? Have they received cultural competency training - or even good HR practice/policy training? When they talk about the job, do they ask the employee if this schedule fits their personal/religious obligations? Do they offer alternative shifts so that the person can meet their religious obligations? Do they each (both employer and employee) try to understand the needs of each other so they can work well together? Do employers understand that new immigrants don't understand the American "rules" and need help in fitting in while maintaining their own religious beliefs? It's not just about religion; it's about a changing world in which we need to learn to communicate with each other, ask questions, give answers, and learn to negotiate conflict, rather than fight wars or rush to the nearest lawyer. "

Nina wrote on July 23, 2007 12:44 pm:
" One person leaving a production line causes a mess for many other workers, safety issues, and loss of money for the company to straighten it all out (picture the product piling up on the belt and falling all over while others down the line are wondering what happened). Being a Christian "requires" one to take it to the Lord in prayer when there are anxieties, joys, etc. - but you'd better not do it on a production line. Common sense should tell you that, and if whoever hires staff can foresee problems with that, they'd better have a contract that states what is and is not allowed during work - and they'd better keep their hands off employees if they don't want lawsuits. "

muslim inclusion wrote on July 23, 2007 12:54 pm:
" Muslim religion is all emcompassing in their daily lives--schools, government, etc. That is their culture. That isn't our culture. We have the church & government separation. We're a melting pot. Different cultures are welcome here & encouraged to come here. Accommodations are fine to a point but we just can't accommodate everybody. "

Just Commenting wrote on July 23, 2007 12:57 pm:
" I need to know the details here. On one hand, I always found that when I lived in Nebraska, people tended to not be very tolerant of those who had different beliefs. On the other hand, I worked in health care a good part of my time in Nebraska. There were always some who felt they were a little more Christian than others, and demanded Sundays off at the expense of others. You can't just shut down a hospital for 15 mintes while a large group goes out and prays. The same goes for the production line of a packing plant. The production line of any place, for that matter. If the people are allowed to practice their religion in this fashion, it is going going to result in discrimination in hiring practices in the future. By the way, we never had problems like this when packing plants were union and paid a decent wage. Those jobs were eagerly filled by Americans back then. "

ignoranceisbliss wrote on July 23, 2007 1:03 pm:
" I love the whole "this is america..." line, do people so soon forget that our nation was founded on the backs of immigrants? If this was an american wanting a 5 minute break to pray I'm sure everyone would be a lot more understanding "

SB wrote on July 23, 2007 1:12 pm:
" Although I hope the courts throw this out because it deals with US laws granting a RELIGION special privileges - Many of these comments are disheartening as it appears the general public has taken a group searching for a compromise in working conditions (the “US way” by bringing it to court) and have turned it into a religion/belief/foreigner bashing blog - I’m ashamed to be an American when we have supposedly educated Americans spitting racist comments toward a religion or country because it’s “not what we do” and “they should conform to the US norm or go home”. How ignorant can we be? This country has always been about immigrants and refugees seeking a better way of life and this country has always been an evolving and dynamic culture, don’t expect it to all of a sudden stop at your comfort zone. This isn’t about immigrants, refugee’s rights, or ‘blackhawk down” ,but about a group of employees seeking personal gratitude “the American way” through the courts – “the way it’s always been”. On a similar note to many posters; pick one or the other – separation of church and state (and not just your church) or public prayer for ALL. and please educate yourselves – Islam and the Muslim radicals occupying the countries we are and have occupied are NOT the same thing. "

!!!!!! wrote on July 23, 2007 1:26 pm:
" I cannot believe the level of hatred and ignorance in the responses to this story. It is apparently alright to change laws and work-place habits for Christians but not for anyone else. What a load of hypocrites many Christians are. What a great religion, any time you do anything wrong you can just say you repented and now all is well (e.g. Bush, Vitter...). I seriously doubt most so-called Christians adhere to their religion like the people in this story do. "

Mike Honcho wrote on July 23, 2007 1:31 pm:
" No, if this was an "American" (whatever that means nowadays), the reaction would be no different. If a person wants to pray, that's fine...do it on your own time, or use your regularly scheduled breaks to do so. Nobody is forcing these immigrants to work at Swift, but the immigrants want to force Swift to meet their demands? Forget the religious part of it, if I worked a production line and had to do 2 jobs while someone is off praying, I'd want them fired. "

PorkTheOtherWhiteMeat wrote on July 23, 2007 1:51 pm:
" Hey Golly, you bring up a good point, it's NOT a Catholic or an Irish American making thes ridiculous demands! Your right though as an Irish Catholic, I demand to recieve St Patricks day as a pain holiday. No one told them they couldn't be muslim, they just can't disrupt Swift's 2nd shift production! "

Fred Register wrote on July 23, 2007 1:57 pm:
" I'm sure every single one of you who says they should get another job and stop expecting their employer to kowtow to their religious beliefs says exactly the same thing about pharmacists who refuse to fill morning after pill and even contraception prescriptiosn right? Or peolpe who whine about working Sundays etc? I mean you are consistent right? It is about voluntary work and sticking to the job like you all say, right? It wouldn't be about them not being your favorite religion would it? Surely not. I mean you want to hold Christians to the same standards surely? I hope so, and if so I agree with you. If your religion says you can't do the work, don't take the job, If ANY religion says you can't do the work..... Let's hear it for intellectual honesty and consistent application of principles yeah! "

Conflicted wrote on July 23, 2007 2:06 pm:
" Don't factories usually have two 15 minute breaks and a 30 or 60 minute lunch? If their prayers take 5-10 minutes they still have 5 minutes to use the bathroom. I"m trying to see both sides here but it seems Swift has been trying to accomodate and the workers haven't. It's another example of cultural differences. Americans live and work by the clock while other cultures don't. "

Muslim prayer wrote on July 23, 2007 2:46 pm:
" Muslim prayer is a ritual. There are certain steps such as taking the time to wash their feet that need to be done. This isn't just a quick 5 minute process where they can go to a room & just pray in their head. And the ritual can take longer than what a scheduled break lasts. They can pray all they want whenever they want & how often they want. I don't consider it intolerance, hatred or ignorance just because I don't feel that an entire production process should shut down so that they can pray. I wouldn't support a measure to shut down a production line so that people could receive communion either. Production lines run on a schedule. "

Lincoln athiest wrote on July 23, 2007 4:11 pm:
" The fact that people are making this into an anti muslim argument is ridiculous. It is not about them being Islamic, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, what have you. It is about them shutting down a work line simply because they have a personal wish to pray to their particular "god". What if i wanted Saturday Sunday and Monday off during football season? Would the courts even be considering that? All arguments saying that people can't do their jobs the way the employer wishes because of their particular wants need to be thrown out. They didn't have a problem with hiring Muslims. They had a problem with particular people taking unscheduled time off of work, putting the employer at risk of lost profits. Sorry, if you want a job that puts religion over profits, start your own business. The American way is not a Christian way-- it is a way based on the time clock. Learn it, or leave it. "

gulag wrote on July 23, 2007 5:40 pm:
" There are no circumstances where these folks will win this case. Big Business and the Labor Unions will stamp this little rebellion down big time. The really bad, or good thing depending on your point of view is that the players on the Islamic side will be exposed and this guarentee they will get NO meaningful employment. It also awakens folks to what it really means to bring refugees into this country without proper assimilation. "

Pig-headed complaints wrote on July 23, 2007 7:57 pm:
" Why does every "protected group" need to challenge the standards and norms of America these days? I don't want to work any of the odd hours of the day...as it violates my sense of normalcy by being labled "odd hours". I don't want to work any Sundays because I am Christian and this is the day of rest... so what if I have a floor full of patients to tend to. It's my belief, therefore my right. And if you don't let me have my way, well Im going to SUE you. How about we all find a way to assimilate. We are called the MELTING POT for a reason. I wouldn't go to Iran and demand not to cover my face and head, lest I be stoned to death. So ditto to immigrants to come here. While we are sensitive to your beliefs and customs, we do not have to renegotiate the AMERICAN WAY. I hear you get LOTS of breaks in Mexico... try there! "

Americans are Lazy wrote on July 23, 2007 9:11 pm:
" The ironic thing is, these folks get twice the amount of work done as "Americans" even when allowed to take prayer breaks. "

nemo wrote on July 23, 2007 9:43 pm:
" SB visit a modern hog operation sometime, cleaner than your kitchen. "

Cha ching, cha ching wrote on July 24, 2007 7:36 am:
" The union contract specifically states times when they have breaks. This is so workers don't spend too much time on the line. With the sunset being later this time of year, their prayer time conflicts with these scheduled break times. I think the workers are just going ahead and leaving the line without first getting their supervisor's permission. Getting fired for that is COMPLETELY different than getting fired for practicing their religion. If the Somalians who walked out were so against the company, why did over half of them return? Probably because of the money they can get from a lawsuit. "

jimmy wrote on July 24, 2007 9:00 am:
" Why are they canning pork and pork by products? Either you are or are not muslim. Do not use a wonderful faith to push the rules to your comfortablity. "

National Guard Wife wrote on July 24, 2007 9:32 am:
" Causing problems again..-sighs- I agree with most of the people on here. This is AMERICA, we have laws and rules that suck, but EVERYONE needs to follow them. I respect all religions BUT there is a time and place for it and work is not one of them, especially when you can get a job to work with your schedule. This, in my opinion, is a way for them to get some extra money and make a scene as usual. They think that just because they are Muslims, that Americans immediately hate them and that is so far from the truth ( in some people) Adjust to America or get out..plain and simple.. "

alw wrote on July 24, 2007 10:00 am:
" Daily there is Christian bashing on here. So it's ok to be a muslim or whatever and cause a workplace disruption but I'll bet if I wanted to form a lunch time Bible study at my work I'd be labeled another typical nut job Bible beating Christian. So it's as one poster put it " the Bill of Rights guarantees to ALL the freedom of religion" I guess it's ok to throw that around as long as we aren't talking about Christians because as we all know on these blogs most of the time we are told it's freedom from religion and by God there needs to be a separation of church from state and everything else. I'm sure all you liberals on here will disagree...commence bashing me and calling me a nut job Christian now... "

ONE LAW?? wrote on July 24, 2007 10:13 am:
" Well standard work week which has Sundays off for vast majority for a start, expressly because Sundays are the main meeting days for most Christian denominations (Muslims have Friday as their holy day - so you definitely have the advantage there). Hundreds of licensing laws across the nation that disallow alcohol sales on Sundays or Sunday mornings for another - so the drunks can still attend church. Christmas and Easter as federal holidays for another (is Eid a federal holiday? Diwali? Purim?) Swearing on the bible to give evidence for another - an affirmation of the risible canard that faith both dictates and confers morality. But no - it's all just a hellish world of oppression for the 83% of the population who are Christian, who control every level of government throughout the land. Poor sweet subjugated victim Christians. It must be so tough on you. "

Fred Register wrote on July 24, 2007 12:35 pm:
" Emmm did you perhaps not notice that there is very little support for these folks on here? Not to mention far more bashing than Christians receive (who after all are not told to go back to where they immigrated from too often). How is that demonstrative of an "OK for muslims" attitude or Christian bashing? If you wanted to form a voluntary lunch time bible study session I for one "liberal" (by which I assume you to mean non-right wing non-Christian) would be perfectly happy to see it and I may even join - I can help you out with various aspects of translation, biblical history and apologetics. Quite a study of mine which I rather enjoy. Where you would run afoul is if you had a position of authority and either mandated the sessions or treated people differently depending on whether they joined or not - that would be a hostile work environment for non-Christians. Again I hold both faiths to the same standard - don't force your beliefs on others, or expect pluralistic organizations such as employers or, even wiorse, governments, to conform to your dogma. Where is this apparent support for this Muslim effort to impose their religious practices on others? Where is the bashing of Christians here? "