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Lincoln shows curiosity about Vision 2015

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By HILARY KINDSCHUH/Lincoln Journal Star

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 - 12:24:23 am CST

You can bet that more than a few people had the same question as Ann Nickerson, who went to a community forum Monday night to learn about what the 2015 Vision group hopes to bring to Lincoln in the future.

“I’m curious how they’d pay for them,” Nickerson said of the group’s proposed projects. 

The group hopes to accomplish its goals through public-private partnerships, much like the one among the city, UNL and Nebco that produced the Haymarket Park baseball stadium and softball complex.

Members say the group’s visiion grew out of informal talk among local business executives, is proposing an ambitious list of projects it says are necessary to keep the city’s economy growing and to keep its best and brightest young people from moving away.

The projects include building a new arena, convention center and hotel in the Haymarket; establishing a research and development corridor stretching from downtown to the University of Nebraska-Lincoln campus; and moving the State Fair to the grounds of the Lancaster Event Center to give UNL room to grow.

The group hopes to accomplish its goals through public-private partnerships, much like the one among the city, UNL and Nebco that produced the Haymarket Park baseball stadium and softball complex.

More than 200 people came to Lincoln High School Monday night for the first of four community conversations to give the group an opportunity to share information about the projects with the public and discuss what they mean to Lincoln’s future.

Overall, the vision seems like “a great civic thing,” Nickerson said.

“I appreciate the fact they’re giving citizens a chance to be informed,” Nickerson said.

The group is partnering with Leadership Lincoln and several community leaders for the meetings, which include an overview of the projects, followed by small group discussions and a one-hour question-and-answer session.

Terry Bundy, administrator and chief executive of the Lincoln Electric System, came to the forum because he wanted to see Lincoln “maintain a vibrant and growing community that can provide for current citizens and provide a good community for our kids to grow up and work in, too,” he said. “And I think this approach is one way to do it.”

Some participants were particularly concerned about certain proposals, such as moving the State Fair.

“I have a real sentimental feeling about the State Fairgrounds, and you hate to see them go,” said Peg Pelter. “But then again . . . . who could be against development?”

Fred Hoppe, president of Lincoln Home Builders, said he wanted to make sure new housing was an important part of the plans.

“Housing’s a big part of economic development and vice versa,” Hoppe said.

Later people broke up into small groups to talk about the proposals.

When facilitators asked how the 2015 Vision would affect Lincoln as a community, Dee Weyeneth started talking about her family.

Weyeneth, who at one point moved from Lincoln and later came back to the city to raise her family, has a son who went to college out of state, she said.

“What is here for him to come (back) for?” she asked.

The 2015 Vision should help Lincoln grow and convince university students to stay here, Weyeneth said.

“To me, you can’t find a better place to raise a family than Lincoln,” she said.

Sometimes, people expressed differing opinions on the same topics ” the proposal to build a new arena, for example.

Jim Gutmann questioned the idea of building a new arena “when you have Pershing and Devaney .... and a brand new Qwest Center (in Omaha) less than an hour away....Someone’s really got to look at the numbers on that.”

In a different small group, Keri Bunstock said Lincoln seemed to be missing something in terms of entertainment venues.

The city has large venues, such as the Pershing Center, and smaller ones, such as the Zoo Bar, but “nothing in between that’s affordable,” Bunstock said. “It’s either huge or tiny, and I think a lot of things in Lincoln are like that.”

The Rev. Andrew McDonald said his group was raising excellent questions.

“Communities really can have crucial juncture points,” McDonald said.

Not only should people worry about how 2015 Vision would affect Lincoln, they should worry about “how will not doing 2015, or something like it, affect Lincoln?” McDonald said. “If we get left behind, what happens?”

Reach Hilary Kindschuh at 473-7120 or hkindschuh@journalstar.com.


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Roger wrote on January 30, 2007 6:07 am:
" Its been said before, this group will continue to meet and discuss and then at the end they will say, See we met with the community and its a go and everyone is in favor, now we just need you, city council to approve it and we need a bond issue on this. Guess what, I will not vote for it and I doubt anyone with any fiscal responsibility will vote for it. We haven't even finished Antelope Valley project still 65 percent left and no money to do it with, city budget is 9 million short, raises being asked for on class m employees and unions threatened, are these same people that are asking for raises and threatening union negotiation, are they the ones proposing all of this 2015 stuff. My feeling is we need to stabalize before we can even begin to vitalize. Too much hype and not enough meat on this one. Raise my taxes another 100 a month and I will need to sell and move. If that is your goal, so be it, but that is just plain wrong and dirty pool. "

FAD wrote on January 30, 2007 6:15 am:
" As an ad hoc group, 2015 has little authorrity and is not a valid representative of the public. Scheduling "public meetings" the coldest week of the year is a sure way to demonstrate lack of desire for getting people aboard. While the need for a vision is accurate and needed, the group lacks the character of the people and the LJS may hold as great of bank keeping a collection of public input. Because of poorly designed forums any data collected may be invalid and not suitable for presentation as a voice of the public. "

JT wrote on January 30, 2007 7:42 am:
" If you have problems with 2015 go to the meeting and voice your opinion. This city needs development. If you are tired of your taxes being high, one solution is to create new income sources, and this plan would do it. "

Jan wrote on January 30, 2007 8:15 am:
" I think this a good thing and just like the drag strip they need to move past all the nay sayers and just start working on this. "

Blindedbythelight wrote on January 30, 2007 8:24 am:
" I think Lincolns best and brightest will move away regurdless, there is not much opportunity in Lincoln, the city is constantly bashing local businesses owners making it impossible to run a normal bussiness, and face it, there are no attractions you cant find in any other town! If people are stayin because of some "vision 2015" its not a very bright idea. Look at Lincolns history of building and accomodating the citizens. You can always move back, but once you move it might be really hard! I wouldn't be surprised if Lincoln started charging people "vision fees" that move back if this plan is passed. Does salt creek run through our govt offices cause something sure stinks! "

russell wrote on January 30, 2007 8:31 am:
" Hurry and build the research corridor along Antelope Valley and forget the rest "

humm wrote on January 30, 2007 8:41 am:
" This group has a one track mind and it's not for the betterment of the whole City, it's for just downtown and their pockets. Don't be fooled by the players involved, No one commissioned a study there was no public out cry for this. It's another way to force the fair grounds to move and get a new arena to compete with Omaha. "

D-bonz wrote on January 30, 2007 8:51 am:
" Nice idea, would be nice to do but lets be serious. Raise taxes again in this city and there is going to be some serious troubles. Too bad this plan wasn't called 2000 and done about 15 years ago! "

resentful wrote on January 30, 2007 9:05 am:
" I resent the implication that just because I stayed I'm not the best or brightest. "

Careen wrote on January 30, 2007 9:11 am:
" Why go to the meetings if they hold no legitimate authority? It may be foreplay to a petition or an innovative way to get public buy in, but the methods of madness shouldn't drive the use of any public funds. It is like a pick up game, streetwalks v. NV brotjels. "

Concerned Tax payer wrote on January 30, 2007 9:24 am:
" Just what Lincoln needs another event center when we already have enough. But we can't have ONE dragstrip. "

RJ wrote on January 30, 2007 9:27 am:
" Notice the repeat and chant in the script? Nebco may want to guide this through, the use of land south of the Haymarket for a baseball complex would attract baseball fans who would support the owner of the Saltdogs...the business man at Nebco. It could be unethical for an individual to do such in a committee formed by the city, however since this is a private group the campaign is above reproach, This is not a group who is working for the public, it is a group of individuals looking to get the public behind personal motives for economic gain. "

from central Nebraska wrote on January 30, 2007 9:51 am:
" The comments are interesting, especially about keeping the younger people in Lincoln. I cna understand that as I live in central Nebraska, a community of 4,000. We battle the same thing in trying to keep young people here or trying to attrace them to move here too, except on a MUCH larger scale than Lincoln. Many of our young people express a desire to move to Lincoln and I don't blame them. Lincoln, to me, is just the right size--not too big and not too small. I know one thing we don't have in Nebraska is major league sports but I'm fine with that as I always have and alwasys will prefer college sports. All the best is deciding what's best for Lincoln! "

IndeP wrote on January 30, 2007 10:05 am:
" Looks a bit dominated by Republicans, any insight from readers? "

Nancy wrote on January 30, 2007 10:17 am:
" Should the University be involved with a group like this if it is representing a private group that wants to appear as a proxy voice of the community? A taxpayer concern for ethical conduct? "

Brian wrote on January 30, 2007 10:31 am:
" I want a real concrete skatepark built as part of this project. I want a park that caters to pros to novices. I'd go to one of these meetings but I believe it's just going to be the same empty promises the skaters of Lincoln have been hearing for years and years. The two current public skateparks are pieces of junk and a waste of money to maintain. I'd rather drive to Omaha, Council Bluffs or Grand Island to ride a real skatepark. Lincoln's skateparks suck, especially Tierra. "

Delfs wrote on January 30, 2007 10:37 am:
" Public/private usually means more public-like taxes :>) "

Things never change... wrote on January 30, 2007 10:51 am:
" Again, this is a small group of prominent "Lincolnites" making decisions for everyone. Remember the "O Street Gang"? Their descendants are alive and well, at the helm of Lincoln's future. BTW,I took my post grad education and left 15 years ago - I get my daily chuckle reading this newspaper online. "

Hmm wrote on January 30, 2007 10:58 am:
" Have many of you stopped to think about your comments? You are up in arms about business leaders in Lincoln trying to better their own business. A business leader? Trying to expand their own business? Well, duh! How do you think we get more jobs if companies don't grow? Then we'd end up with more Pfizers, Cushmans and Quebecors. This group is made up of leaders of most all of the major companies in Lincoln. You know... the ones that sign your paychecks!!! So if their business grows, then they hire more employees, and... oh my goodness... we have more jobs! Economic growth!! Would you rather businesses NOT try to expand their companies? You don't HAVE to be an elected official or government employee to talk about starting new projects in a city. Projects tend to be much more successful anyway when they start in the private sector. "

Jeff wrote on January 30, 2007 11:24 am:
" A new arena in Lincoln? Who are we kidding? Qwest seats almost 18,000 and sells out all the time. Last year there were only 3 more arenas in the WORLD which sold more tickets all year. Do you think Lincoln could build an arena to compete with that? Not to mention the Mid-America Center in Council Bluffs. It's a smaller version of the Qwest which has quite a big draw for concerts, hockey games, etc. The area can't handle another big arena for at least a couple of decades if not longer. If they want a better arena, fix up the Devaney or Pershing because there's no way Lincoln will be able to attract lots of large shows even if they do have a large arena. "

bitterness wrote on January 30, 2007 11:56 am:
" How did "Lincolnites" get to be so bitter? These comments make you sounds so angry. Is it that you are bitter towards those more successful than you? Are you bitter that you left Lincoln in spite of yourself, or stayed in spite of yourself? Is it just the politics that bothers you? Why the bitterness towards UNL? Why the bitterness towards these men? Why the bitterness towards Lincoln in general? I don't live in Lincoln, but I would seriously like to know. "

Cowboy wrote on January 30, 2007 12:32 pm:
" It's sad that after the state fair kicked out all us horse people from the now Ice box. They want to eat from our hand here on the east side of town. Well I don't see that happening. We are the smart ones by going across town and building our own. We have great roads to our events and we don't need state fair eating from our fields. Or should we have you join and pay us to use our feilds and then kick you out. That sounds good! Right? "

Frustrated wrote on January 30, 2007 1:00 pm:
" This is the most frustrated town I have ever seen. We want to be a big and a real town and stop the brain drain, yet no one wants to put up the capital necessary to accomplish anything. You want business development? Get the University to commence start ups. You want business to move here? Do something about one lane streets with people doing 25 mph in them. Its that 25 mph scene that symbolizes the way we think here. And we think down a generic drain without ever looking outside of that drain for answers. "

Do whatever you want... wrote on January 30, 2007 2:42 pm:
" ...just don't destroy my beautiful historic neighborhood by widening 27th Street. "

big D wrote on January 30, 2007 2:50 pm:
" Pershings day has passed. The accoustics never were any good in that place. Parking is a joke. Bulldoze it and make another parking lot. "

Huh JEFF wrote on January 30, 2007 2:50 pm:
" I would like to see a source for the Qwest center stats about number of tickets sold. I work for a group that owns a Arena in a major metro area that has nba, wnba, nhl and major D-1 Uni playing basketball (both mens and womens) and would challenge that comment. As it stands, the Qwest Center is falling behind on it's payments and have been having trouble scheduling/attarcting both shows and events. The major concern is a lack of hotel space. What would probably be a better solution, is since the Pershing center land is already owned (lowering the cost), tear it down and on the foot print of the block, by taking the walls out to 8 feet from the street, surrounded by sidewalk, you could build a really state of the art 12-15,000 seat arena. A 3 story parking garage could be put underneath it and you would enetr on the mid level. The Verizon Center (formerly the MCI Center) in Washington, DC occupies almost the same footprint and is considered one of the finest facilities in both the NBA and NHL. get a corporate sponser (Cabelas, hint, hint) to sponser you could defray aprox 25-45% of construction costs for the naming rights. "

First things First wrote on January 30, 2007 3:58 pm:
" Perhaps those of you who live in Lincoln need to get to the outer edges of the city more often. We often drive from Kearney to Lincoln or Omaha and as we travel on I-80 by the Lincoln Airport, we pass by the derelict, ugly, and abandoned motel on the east side. Doesn't the city administration know what an awful sight that place is, and what a terrible "welcome" to the city it presents? Before the city does any more "visioning", it needs to vision that rundown heap of a place torn down and removed. Git'er done, for cryn' out loud! "

Qwest Center wrote on January 30, 2007 4:11 pm:
" This link shows the stats about Qwest Center ticket sales. It is indeed in the top ten in the world. And if you look at their schedule/news release pages, you can see they're NOT having trouble attracting events. And This link shows a news story about how well the arena is doing. Don't believe the Anti-Qwest Center hype coming out of Lincoln. "

Link? wrote on January 30, 2007 4:29 pm:
" no link to click, the Qwest center information about not making their payments and having difficulty booking events and selling space comes from the Omaha World Herald and the Qwest Centers request for more money, and for help from the City to help defray the costs which aren't being covered "

Qwest Center? wrote on January 30, 2007 4:33 pm:
" The Qwest Center has shown a profit for the third year in a row, but their bond payments are defered. the profit that they have made would not cover their bond payment for the year. So in real dollars, they are actually losing money, hence the request that MEC has made to the City of Omaha. "

whatever wrote on January 30, 2007 4:37 pm:
" The Qwest Center is one of the top 10 arenas for ticket sales in the world. That's pretty much common knowledge in the Arena/Promoter business. Take a look at their schedule for the next 6 months. It's likely it will place in the top 10 again. Don't know how anyone works in the Arena business would not know that. Lincoln, this is what you are up against when you build an Arena, you have to build something at least as big as the Qwest or you aren't even in the game. Are you up for the challenge? "

John wrote on January 30, 2007 10:07 pm:
" I hope that the Vision 2015 group takes into account new roads that will be needed to travel to these new places. Also, I would like to see some existing roads that would lead to these new venues cleaned up - Cornhusker Hwy from the airport (this is what should be blighted!), 9th and 10th Streets, etc. Nobody likes to travel through grunge in order to get to something nice. "

KC or Bust wrote on January 30, 2007 11:04 pm:
" The Quest Center will be yesterday's news as soon as Kansas City's new arena opens in 2007. Many of the big names currently selling out the Quest Center will skip Omaha for KC. "

Haaa wrote on January 31, 2007 12:03 am:
" I bet there are alot of cities that would take issue to the statement that The Quest Cent is one of the top 10 arenas for ticket sales in the world. I can't hardley stop laughing at that!!! According to alot of people the whole city is blighted. If they've lived in alot of other cities they would know what blighted REALLY is!! "

Robe wrote on January 31, 2007 12:39 am:
" I saw nothing about facilities for the disenfranchised in the Vision plan. How can this be overlooked. Lincoln could be a center for treating those less fortunate. There could be a wonderful complex at the State Fair Park for those people who can not or choose not to work where they can relax and get away from the pressures of everyday work. In the future, amybe even a retirement area could be developed on all that land not used. "

actually wrote on January 31, 2007 8:34 am:
" The Qwest center is ranked in the the top 20 in the world but only by an online magazine that has no stats and are unable to produce any stats to back it up. I work for an arena in a the 8th largest city in America, and no one that is a serious business concern would even think of even quoting pollster magazine. If Lincoln builds this mega arena, where are the acts going to come from, and what other events are you going to put in there? Hockey, the Stars will draw 3-5000, no basketball, except for the University, no arena football, no AHL team and not likely to get one with the horrible numbers the Knights put up in Omaha, where exactly are these people going to be going to to pay for the arena? For the arena size I see proposed, Lincoln is short 40% quality hotel rooms. Unless a private concern will build the arena, ala Abe Pollin and the Verizon Center in DC, I can't see the local and state governement underwriting the cost. "

youth wrote on January 31, 2007 9:44 am:
" this plan isn't going to bring any new buisnesses to lincoln. so why should it be carried out. the youth of today is leaving because their are better oprotunities to make more money. their are no companies or buisnesses that would be willing to come to lincoln even if we build these fucilities. the youth willn't stay just because we build a new state fair. or because we build an areana. linoln doesn't need to compet with omaha. if we build one. now more events will be scheduled then their already are. the only plan that seems resonable is moving the state fair, so the university can have more space to build and grow. and even if it grows ur still going to have the youth of lincoln move away. and eventualy comeing back when they grow older. "

Movies wrote on January 31, 2007 12:57 pm:
" Hey I just want a megaplex down South. Downtown is fine with the bars for the weekend and good places to eat lunch at during the weekdays. Problem solved. Can we build the movie theater now. Oh, and be able to smoke in the theater.... "

nobody special wrote on January 31, 2007 1:33 pm:
" LINCOLN: For the people, by the people and of the people. Problem is it seems the people are a handful of wealthy individuals that drive the direction of this city using the city council and any other gov't entities needed as their steering wheel and they don't give a darn about you John Q. Public. They only want what they can gain from your support of their personal projects! RJ hit the nail on the head with his comment (1/30/07 9:27AM)!! How can you have a vision for 2015 when you can't even see what's needed right now? "

Work together wrote on February 1, 2007 7:25 pm:
" Why can't the fair and UN-L work together on the same land? For at least 30 years, the Devaney Center exists on fairgrounds. University buildings on fairgrounds owned land used during the fair. As far as I know, the gymnasts, swimmers, and basketball players do not conflict with the fair and vice versa. The fair could be scheduled in August prior to the start of UN-L fall classes. The campus could expand into the fairgrounds this way, building lots of new research and other buildings. During the lull in activity at UN-L, the fair moves in for only ten days. Create spaces in those buildings to house workshops during the fair, showing all sorts of things that are and are not related to UN-L. Build a permanent roller-coaster and other permanent rides that could exist on their own, beyond the fair, in warm weather on a permanent midway. Charge admission to the rides and other activities, but remove all fencing and don't charge admission to the grounds. The midway could be our own Coney Island. If a roller coaster can be built and operated on top of a tall building in Las Vegas, there is plenty of ground at the fair to build one and still have other activities for the community nearby. There are many other activities that could co-exist on fairgrounds, not just a UNL research park or extension of campus. Beef up all of the gateways to the fairgrounds like the Antelope Valley Parkway already has. Get corporate sponsorship for all fair buildings, but have UN-L have use of them when the fair isn't in them, the other 355 days of the year. There is much more to this plan than the State Fair. Create a 2015 foundation to push a massive private fundraising effort. Dream big, plan big, raise big sums of private cash, create a wonderful research corridor, and make Lincoln an arena to be proud of, using a majority of private money and a well thought out plan. "

youth wrote on February 2, 2007 9:41 am:
" the state fair grounds are not only used for just the fair. there are activiteis that go on year round. some of the buildings are used as storage untill the fair. so to say that unl can just use the land untill the fair is rediculous. unl would have to put money into building class rooms for the buildings. its not usable for unl unless it was sold to unl and they could rebuild just for classes to use. "

A returned citizen wrote on February 2, 2007 4:43 pm:
" I left Lincoln once just because I could. I came back because of family. Lincoln seemed just the same as when I left 13 years earlier. I'm all for 2015 Vision and plan to attend meetings as often as I can. I would love to see this town do some of the things envisioned by this plan. Those of you who are only interested in bashing the players in this group just don't have to show up. Let's allow Lincoln to grow up to be a "real" city, not just the "wannabe" city it seems to have been for years. Bring in more bright people and more avenues of raising revenue and watch your property taxes go down. Pay attention to the bills in the legislature right now. Get involved. Go to the public hearings. A growing city is where people want to be, not one that's been sitting on its hands for years. The conservative core of this city has always stopped it from growing. Do you remember when Lincoln couldn't get it together many years ago and lost IBM to Boulder, CO? IBM is still there and did wonders for the economy, real estate values, and businesses in that area. Let's help Lincoln grow up to be something special instead of bashing the people and businesses who are trying to lead this effort. "